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  • W Offline
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    Wim
    wrote on last edited by
    #2188

    Training us supposed to take 6 to 7 months, starting this summer...
    Go figure ☹️

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #2189

      Should have supplied them in 22.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        Should have supplied them in 22.

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        Jolly
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        #2190

        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Should have supplied them in 22.

        You are right.

        I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

        The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Should have supplied them in 22.

          You are right.

          I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

          The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #2191

          @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

          never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time,

          Yeah, it's almost like he's a Russian agent. I wonder what dirt Putin has on him.

          Wait, once again, that's from the wrong year.

          Sorry.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Renauda
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            #2192

            The ambiguity and emptiness of Putin’s red lines in Ukraine:

            https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/fuzzy-red-lines-in-ukraine?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

            Elbows up!

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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by Axtremus
              #2193

              https://wapo.st/3Vll45U

              https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-zelenskyy-sign-us-ukraine-security-agreement-g7/story?id=111061390

              Biden, Zelensky to sign 10-year U.S.-Ukraine security deal at G-7 summit

              Supposedly the agreement "will commit Washington to supply Kyiv with a wide range of military assistance." But unlike NATO, it does not require the U.S. to respond if Ukraine is attacked.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #2194

                An interesting piece on the possibility of going nuclear.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-nuclear-arsenal-is-crumbling-ukraine-can-take-it-out-for-good/ar-BB1oe8Nv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78d48b0c768a4563879c728536b1d3dc&ei=13

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • W Offline
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                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by Wim
                  #2195

                  Russia hosts approx. 5900 nuclear arms. Assuming that a lot of them are out of use, Putin still has enough to make his threats believable.
                  I think this article is a tad too optimistic.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2196

                    Putin offers compelling and generous terms:

                    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday demanded Ukraine effectively surrender to Moscow if it wants to open peace talks, drawing anger and rebukes from Kyiv and the West.

                    In a combative speech in Moscow on the eve of a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland, Putin said Russia would halt its offensive only if Ukraine fully withdraws its troops from the east and south and drops its bid for NATO membership.

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/14/putin-says-ukraine-must-withdraw-troops-to-start-peace-talks-a85413

                    I am confident that Putin is just emulating Trump and spitballing riffs that happen to pop into his mind.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2197

                      "We'll stop shooting at you (for now) if you give us everything we've taken."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #2198

                        Something like that. Most Christian of Putin to be so magnanimous about it.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • W Offline
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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2199

                          Another headache for Putin:
                          https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34739

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #2200

                            My Great Grandfather was governor of Tambov…before 1917.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Wim
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2201

                              @George: was that Luzhenovsky or his successor?

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2202

                                Pavel Kandidov - here he is in 1905.

                                Pavel and Nina, Tambov 1905.jpg

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2203

                                  That's some really nice log work...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    George K
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                                    Pavel was the governor of the Tambov oblast. I’m told that he was friends with Leo Tolstoy. However, I don’t know anything beyond that.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2205

                                      Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

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                                        Mik
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                                        #2206

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/guerrillas-halt-north-korean-ammunition-trains-near-russia-s-yekaterinburg/ar-BB1psCx7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=73fe1082c89444a0edc022e562b85547&ei=16

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • W Wim

                                          Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2207

                                          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

                                          They do seem to eat their young, these communists.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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