The Ukraine war thread

[George K]

@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time,

Yeah, it's almost like he's a Russian agent. I wonder what dirt Putin has on him.

Wait, once again, that's from the wrong year.

Sorry.

[Renauda]

The ambiguity and emptiness of Putin’s red lines in Ukraine:

https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/fuzzy-red-lines-in-ukraine?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

[Axtremus]

https://wapo.st/3Vll45U

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-zelenskyy-sign-us-ukraine-security-agreement-g7/story?id=111061390

Biden, Zelensky to sign 10-year U.S.-Ukraine security deal at G-7 summit

Supposedly the agreement "will commit Washington to supply Kyiv with a wide range of military assistance." But unlike NATO, it does not require the U.S. to respond if Ukraine is attacked.

[Mik]

An interesting piece on the possibility of going nuclear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-nuclear-arsenal-is-crumbling-ukraine-can-take-it-out-for-good/ar-BB1oe8Nv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78d48b0c768a4563879c728536b1d3dc&ei=13

[Wim]

Russia hosts approx. 5900 nuclear arms. Assuming that a lot of them are out of use, Putin still has enough to make his threats believable.
I think this article is a tad too optimistic.

[Renauda]

Putin offers compelling and generous terms:

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday demanded Ukraine effectively surrender to Moscow if it wants to open peace talks, drawing anger and rebukes from Kyiv and the West.

In a combative speech in Moscow on the eve of a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland, Putin said Russia would halt its offensive only if Ukraine fully withdraws its troops from the east and south and drops its bid for NATO membership.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/14/putin-says-ukraine-must-withdraw-troops-to-start-peace-talks-a85413

I am confident that Putin is just emulating Trump and spitballing riffs that happen to pop into his mind.

[George K]

"We'll stop shooting at you (for now) if you give us everything we've taken."

[Renauda]

Something like that. Most Christian of Putin to be so magnanimous about it.

[Wim]

Another headache for Putin:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34739

[George K]

My Great Grandfather was governor of Tambov…before 1917.

[Wim]

@George: was that Luzhenovsky or his successor?

[George K]

Pavel Kandidov - here he is in 1905.

[Jolly]

That's some really nice log work...

[George K]

Pavel was the governor of the Tambov oblast. I’m told that he was friends with Leo Tolstoy. However, I don’t know anything beyond that.

[Wim]

Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

[Mik]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/guerrillas-halt-north-korean-ammunition-trains-near-russia-s-yekaterinburg/ar-BB1psCx7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=73fe1082c89444a0edc022e562b85547&ei=16

[Mik]

@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

They do seem to eat their young, these communists.

[Renauda]

Once again, the Kremlin maintains that is Ukraine’s fault:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/08/west-condemns-russian-strike-on-kyiv-childrens-hospital-a85644

[George K]

@Renauda are those “River to the Sea” assholes coming the bombing of a children’s hospital?

No?

Didn’t think so.

[Renauda]

But of course not, Putin supports the plight of the Palestinians in their struggle against US global hegemony, Zionist imperialism and Ukrainian Nazis.