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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1153

    I cannot quite decide whether this proves that old war tactics fail in a high-tech era or that the Russians are simply an incompetent military force.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1154

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
        wrote on last edited by
        #1155

        The Wagner Group, also known as PMC Wagner, ChVK Wagner, or CHVK Vagner, is a Russian paramilitary organization. It is variously described as a private military company, a network of mercenaries, or a de facto private army of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Wikipedia

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1156

          There’s an irony in the Russian mercenaries having a German name.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            There’s an irony in the Russian mercenaries having a German name.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #1157

            @Mik

            Supposedly it is because Wagner is Pirozhkin’s favourite composer.

            This is a very well made documentary on the formation of the Wagner Group:

            Link to video

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1158

              I can understand that a mercenary would love Wagner. But still….

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                I can understand that a mercenary would love Wagner. But still….

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #1159

                @Mik

                I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

                Know what I mean?

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1160

                  Maybe the Nutcrackers....

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    @Mik

                    I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

                    Know what I mean?

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1161

                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    @Mik

                    I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

                    Know what I mean?

                    That would be ghey.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by George K
                      #1162

                      And a rare video of Russian troops withdrawing, taken by a Ukrainian soldier:

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1163

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1164

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1165

                            Is Russia Running Out Of Missiles?

                            Russia is running low on missiles, especially those that the Iskander road-mobile system equips. Ukraine’s intelligence director said that Vladimir Putin’s forces have only 13% of the supply of Iskander ballistic missiles that Russia held before the war. This leaves Russian forces to rely on Iran-made Shahed loitering drones to attack Ukraine.

                            Ukrainian spy master Kyrylo Budanov said recently that Russian “missile stocks are almost exhausted.” Budanov said Russia is turning to the cheaper Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones, and these are getting destroyed in the air – 330 have been launched at Ukrainian targets and 222 have been shot down, Budanov claimed.

                            While there is no independent confirmation of these numbers, it stands to reason that Russia is running out of Iskanders, as well as other missiles such as the Kalibr. This has to make Moscow wonder if its military can continue to target critical infrastructure in strikes designed to take out electrical power and water plants in Ukraine. On Oct. 31, dozens of cruise missiles and kamikaze drones hit these facilities, creating electricity and water outages throughout the country.

                            Russia’s missile force could not have foreseen the depletion of these stocks in a war that has raged almost all year. The Iskander was believed to be impervious to missile defenses, but in reality it is falling even to unlikely defensive systems such as MANPADs. Ukraine boasted on Oct. 29 that a Ukrainian man-portable air defense system downed an Iskander near the city of Zaporizhzhia. While the action was not a direct hit, the Iskander reportedly left its trajectory and hit the ground far short of its target.

                            This is yet another wartime disappointment for Vladimir Putin. His generals must have told him that Russian ballistic missiles would strike fear into Ukraine and push Kyiv to surrender. But the war has gone on longer than planned, and Iskander stocks are running low. Ukraine has done a good job shooting them down, and it may soon get HAWK surface-to-air missiles from the United States to take care of the Iranian drones. Ukraine and its allies are answering the surface-to-surface missile advantages that Moscow enjoyed before the war. Russia will have to depend on a defense industry beset by international sanctions to replenish Iskander missile stocks.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1166

                              Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

                              https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

                                https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1167

                                @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

                                Have you heard/read anything?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

                                  Have you heard/read anything?

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #1168

                                  @George-K

                                  Nothing verified. Curious about the extent of damage to that Russian Frigate. Whatever happened, the attack got Putin’s attention.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1169

                                    Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1170

                                      @Mik they didn't even wait for him to get near a window.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1171

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1172

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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