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  • MikM Mik

    I can understand that a mercenary would love Wagner. But still….

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #1159

    @Mik

    I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

    Know what I mean?

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #1160

      Maybe the Nutcrackers....

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        @Mik

        I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

        Know what I mean?

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1161

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @Mik

        I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

        Know what I mean?

        That would be ghey.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #1162

          And a rare video of Russian troops withdrawing, taken by a Ukrainian soldier:

          alt text

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1163

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1164

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
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                #1165

                Is Russia Running Out Of Missiles?

                Russia is running low on missiles, especially those that the Iskander road-mobile system equips. Ukraine’s intelligence director said that Vladimir Putin’s forces have only 13% of the supply of Iskander ballistic missiles that Russia held before the war. This leaves Russian forces to rely on Iran-made Shahed loitering drones to attack Ukraine.

                Ukrainian spy master Kyrylo Budanov said recently that Russian “missile stocks are almost exhausted.” Budanov said Russia is turning to the cheaper Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones, and these are getting destroyed in the air – 330 have been launched at Ukrainian targets and 222 have been shot down, Budanov claimed.

                While there is no independent confirmation of these numbers, it stands to reason that Russia is running out of Iskanders, as well as other missiles such as the Kalibr. This has to make Moscow wonder if its military can continue to target critical infrastructure in strikes designed to take out electrical power and water plants in Ukraine. On Oct. 31, dozens of cruise missiles and kamikaze drones hit these facilities, creating electricity and water outages throughout the country.

                Russia’s missile force could not have foreseen the depletion of these stocks in a war that has raged almost all year. The Iskander was believed to be impervious to missile defenses, but in reality it is falling even to unlikely defensive systems such as MANPADs. Ukraine boasted on Oct. 29 that a Ukrainian man-portable air defense system downed an Iskander near the city of Zaporizhzhia. While the action was not a direct hit, the Iskander reportedly left its trajectory and hit the ground far short of its target.

                This is yet another wartime disappointment for Vladimir Putin. His generals must have told him that Russian ballistic missiles would strike fear into Ukraine and push Kyiv to surrender. But the war has gone on longer than planned, and Iskander stocks are running low. Ukraine has done a good job shooting them down, and it may soon get HAWK surface-to-air missiles from the United States to take care of the Iranian drones. Ukraine and its allies are answering the surface-to-surface missile advantages that Moscow enjoyed before the war. Russia will have to depend on a defense industry beset by international sanctions to replenish Iskander missile stocks.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1166

                  Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

                  https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

                    https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1167

                    @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

                    Have you heard/read anything?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

                      Have you heard/read anything?

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #1168

                      @George-K

                      Nothing verified. Curious about the extent of damage to that Russian Frigate. Whatever happened, the attack got Putin’s attention.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1169

                        Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1170

                          @Mik they didn't even wait for him to get near a window.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1171

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1172

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1173

                                Shell sales...

                                https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-says-north-korea-supplying-russia-with-artillery-shells-2022-11-02/

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1174

                                  Somewhat related. Size of Ukraine vs US

                                  ![alt text](b74ad96a-dade-4d7a-b799-3e5145083c09-image.png image url)https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftheodora.com%2Fwfbcurrent%2Fgraphics%2Fareacomparison%2FUP_area.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0b5ed132e7e6256d4ecbba66791bd099da3a8e3e66148283deedcbd4ec642d1f&ipo=images

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1175

                                    Russia backs down, stays with grain deal.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-calls-russia-s-bluff-and-forces-putin-into-huge-u-turn-after-black-sea-drone-attack/ar-AA13EohN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1dce31662e5f482aa40eb760dd9f71ad

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1176

                                      Meduza io is a Russian news source published in Latvia. The link describes the mobilization clusterfuck in just one district:

                                      https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/02/like-having-a-tank-operator-fly-a-plane

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1177

                                        How do you win a war with an army that doesn't want to fight?

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1178

                                          His concern is not only that any conceivable deal will appear as a loss, but a deal that truly ends the fighting will be followed by a reckoning. So long as the war continues Putin is protected to a degree by patriotic urges to support the motherland when it is in peril, and also the opportunities war provides for censorship and tight control of all dissent. Without the war the consequences of his folly will be exposed. The legacy will not be expanded territory but instead a contracted economy, continued international isolation, a diminished reputation, and a multitude of disillusioned followers, bereaved families, and traumatised veterans with nothing to remember with pride.

                                          Why Putin prefers war to diplomacy:

                                          https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/why-putin-prefers-war-war-to-jaw?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                                          Elbows up!

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