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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1163

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1164

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1165

        Is Russia Running Out Of Missiles?

        Russia is running low on missiles, especially those that the Iskander road-mobile system equips. Ukraine’s intelligence director said that Vladimir Putin’s forces have only 13% of the supply of Iskander ballistic missiles that Russia held before the war. This leaves Russian forces to rely on Iran-made Shahed loitering drones to attack Ukraine.

        Ukrainian spy master Kyrylo Budanov said recently that Russian “missile stocks are almost exhausted.” Budanov said Russia is turning to the cheaper Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones, and these are getting destroyed in the air – 330 have been launched at Ukrainian targets and 222 have been shot down, Budanov claimed.

        While there is no independent confirmation of these numbers, it stands to reason that Russia is running out of Iskanders, as well as other missiles such as the Kalibr. This has to make Moscow wonder if its military can continue to target critical infrastructure in strikes designed to take out electrical power and water plants in Ukraine. On Oct. 31, dozens of cruise missiles and kamikaze drones hit these facilities, creating electricity and water outages throughout the country.

        Russia’s missile force could not have foreseen the depletion of these stocks in a war that has raged almost all year. The Iskander was believed to be impervious to missile defenses, but in reality it is falling even to unlikely defensive systems such as MANPADs. Ukraine boasted on Oct. 29 that a Ukrainian man-portable air defense system downed an Iskander near the city of Zaporizhzhia. While the action was not a direct hit, the Iskander reportedly left its trajectory and hit the ground far short of its target.

        This is yet another wartime disappointment for Vladimir Putin. His generals must have told him that Russian ballistic missiles would strike fear into Ukraine and push Kyiv to surrender. But the war has gone on longer than planned, and Iskander stocks are running low. Ukraine has done a good job shooting them down, and it may soon get HAWK surface-to-air missiles from the United States to take care of the Iranian drones. Ukraine and its allies are answering the surface-to-surface missile advantages that Moscow enjoyed before the war. Russia will have to depend on a defense industry beset by international sanctions to replenish Iskander missile stocks.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #1166

          Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

          https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

            https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1167

            @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

            Have you heard/read anything?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

              Have you heard/read anything?

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #1168

              @George-K

              Nothing verified. Curious about the extent of damage to that Russian Frigate. Whatever happened, the attack got Putin’s attention.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1169

                Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1170

                  @Mik they didn't even wait for him to get near a window.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1171

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1172

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1173

                        Shell sales...

                        https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-says-north-korea-supplying-russia-with-artillery-shells-2022-11-02/

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1174

                          Somewhat related. Size of Ukraine vs US

                          ![alt text](b74ad96a-dade-4d7a-b799-3e5145083c09-image.png image url)https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftheodora.com%2Fwfbcurrent%2Fgraphics%2Fareacomparison%2FUP_area.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0b5ed132e7e6256d4ecbba66791bd099da3a8e3e66148283deedcbd4ec642d1f&ipo=images

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1175

                            Russia backs down, stays with grain deal.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-calls-russia-s-bluff-and-forces-putin-into-huge-u-turn-after-black-sea-drone-attack/ar-AA13EohN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1dce31662e5f482aa40eb760dd9f71ad

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1176

                              Meduza io is a Russian news source published in Latvia. The link describes the mobilization clusterfuck in just one district:

                              https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/02/like-having-a-tank-operator-fly-a-plane

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1177

                                How do you win a war with an army that doesn't want to fight?

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1178

                                  His concern is not only that any conceivable deal will appear as a loss, but a deal that truly ends the fighting will be followed by a reckoning. So long as the war continues Putin is protected to a degree by patriotic urges to support the motherland when it is in peril, and also the opportunities war provides for censorship and tight control of all dissent. Without the war the consequences of his folly will be exposed. The legacy will not be expanded territory but instead a contracted economy, continued international isolation, a diminished reputation, and a multitude of disillusioned followers, bereaved families, and traumatised veterans with nothing to remember with pride.

                                  Why Putin prefers war to diplomacy:

                                  https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/why-putin-prefers-war-war-to-jaw?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                                    #1179

                                    Maybe he is ill and his endgame is to die in office rather than be removed. It's difficult to see any other possible benefit.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1180

                                      "Crimea, mobilized"

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1181

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1182

                                          How Russian Soldiers Ran a "Cleansing" Operation in Bucha

                                          The first man arrived at 7:27 a.m. Russian soldiers covered his head and marched him up the driveway toward a nondescript office building.

                                          Two minutes later, a pleading, gagged voice pierced the morning stillness. Then the merciless reply: “Talk! Talk, f--ing mother-f--er!”

                                          The women and children came later, gripping hastily packed bags, their pet dogs in tow.

                                          It was a cold, gray morning, March 4 in Bucha, Ukraine. Crows cawed. By nightfall, at least nine men would walk to their deaths at 144 Yablunska street, a building complex that Russians turned into a headquarters and the nerve center of violence that would shock the world.

                                          In this image from March 4, 2022, surveillance video provided by the Ukrainian government, Russian troops lead nine men at gunpoint to their headquarters on Yablunska Street in Bucha, where they would be tortured and executed.

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                                          The men were picked up as part of what Russian soldiers called “zachistka” – cleansing. They hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify and neutralize potential threats.

                                          Later, when all the bodies were found strewn along the streets and packed in hasty graves, it would be easy to think the carnage was random. Residents asking how this happened would be told to make their peace, because some questions just don’t have answers.

                                          Yet there was a method to the violence.

                                          What happened that day in Bucha was what Russian soldiers on intercepted phone conversations called “zachistka” — cleansing. The Russians hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify potential threats. Those who didn’t pass this filtration, including volunteer fighters and civilians suspected of assisting Ukrainian troops, were tortured and executed, surveillance video, audio intercepts and interviews show.

                                          More here:

                                          https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interactive/ap-russia-war-crimes-ukraine/

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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