The Ukraine war thread

[Jolly]

As the American Civil War influenced tactics for many years after, this war changes things for everybody

[Mik]

I cannot quite decide whether this proves that old war tactics fail in a high-tech era or that the Russians are simply an incompetent military force.

[George K]

[Copper]

The Wagner Group, also known as PMC Wagner, ChVK Wagner, or CHVK Vagner, is a Russian paramilitary organization. It is variously described as a private military company, a network of mercenaries, or a de facto private army of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Wikipedia

[Mik]

There’s an irony in the Russian mercenaries having a German name.

[Renauda]

@Mik

Supposedly it is because Wagner is Pirozhkin’s favourite composer.

This is a very well made documentary on the formation of the Wagner Group:

Link to video

[Mik]

I can understand that a mercenary would love Wagner. But still….

[Renauda]

@Mik

I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

Know what I mean?

[Mik]

Maybe the Nutcrackers....

[George K]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Mik

I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

Know what I mean?

That would be ghey.

[George K]

And a rare video of Russian troops withdrawing, taken by a Ukrainian soldier:

[George K]

[George K]

[George K]

Is Russia Running Out Of Missiles?

Russia is running low on missiles, especially those that the Iskander road-mobile system equips. Ukraine’s intelligence director said that Vladimir Putin’s forces have only 13% of the supply of Iskander ballistic missiles that Russia held before the war. This leaves Russian forces to rely on Iran-made Shahed loitering drones to attack Ukraine.

Ukrainian spy master Kyrylo Budanov said recently that Russian “missile stocks are almost exhausted.” Budanov said Russia is turning to the cheaper Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones, and these are getting destroyed in the air – 330 have been launched at Ukrainian targets and 222 have been shot down, Budanov claimed.

While there is no independent confirmation of these numbers, it stands to reason that Russia is running out of Iskanders, as well as other missiles such as the Kalibr. This has to make Moscow wonder if its military can continue to target critical infrastructure in strikes designed to take out electrical power and water plants in Ukraine. On Oct. 31, dozens of cruise missiles and kamikaze drones hit these facilities, creating electricity and water outages throughout the country.

Russia’s missile force could not have foreseen the depletion of these stocks in a war that has raged almost all year. The Iskander was believed to be impervious to missile defenses, but in reality it is falling even to unlikely defensive systems such as MANPADs. Ukraine boasted on Oct. 29 that a Ukrainian man-portable air defense system downed an Iskander near the city of Zaporizhzhia. While the action was not a direct hit, the Iskander reportedly left its trajectory and hit the ground far short of its target.

This is yet another wartime disappointment for Vladimir Putin. His generals must have told him that Russian ballistic missiles would strike fear into Ukraine and push Kyiv to surrender. But the war has gone on longer than planned, and Iskander stocks are running low. Ukraine has done a good job shooting them down, and it may soon get HAWK surface-to-air missiles from the United States to take care of the Iranian drones. Ukraine and its allies are answering the surface-to-surface missile advantages that Moscow enjoyed before the war. Russia will have to depend on a defense industry beset by international sanctions to replenish Iskander missile stocks.

[Renauda]

Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

[George K]

@Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

Have you heard/read anything?

[Renauda]

@George-K

Nothing verified. Curious about the extent of damage to that Russian Frigate. Whatever happened, the attack got Putin’s attention.

[Mik]

Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

[George K]

@Mik they didn't even wait for him to get near a window.

[George K]