"Do Masks Work?"
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I always suspected the mask stuff came down from the top for two reasons:
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To get the press and general public to stop asking about masks
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As a psychological pick me up for the general public, give them something to help them feel like they had SOME kind of control over this.
I think it worked in those regards. It also helped people take it a little more seriously. More people stayed farther apart.
People point to the declines in cases and say “See! It worked!”
I think those declines happened naturally because as things got worse people naturally started being more cautious and going out into public less. There was an interesting analysis supporting that last year when they looked at the numbers in North and South Dakota..
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@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
I always suspected the mask stuff came down from the top for two reasons:
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To get the press and general public to stop asking about masks
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As a psychological pick me up for the general public, give them something to help them feel like they had SOME kind of control over this.
I think it also acts as a reminder than we're in the middle of a pandemic, so when you're out shopping you're less likely to forget and stand right next to somebody.
I agree with George about the lack of scientific evidence, but it sure can't do any harm to wear one.
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Way too many variables to be of much use, imo
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@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
Way too many variables to be of much use, imo
Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.
- Cloth masks suck.
- Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":
@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
Way too many variables to be of much use, imo
Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.
- Cloth masks suck.
- Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.
@jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":
@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
Way too many variables to be of much use, imo
Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.
- Cloth masks suck.
- Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.
But if I remember correctly, the Aussie study also didn’t account for behavioral changes that could have had an effect. Also, didn’t I see another study on a preventative medicine (AZ, I believe) that showed 30% reduction in symptomatic cases, but it was dismissed because 30% was deemed as possibly coincidental?
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The latest on impact of masks.
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You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.
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@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.
What about the study did you take issue with? Over 300,000 individuals sounds like a lot but it was Bangladesh and it was likely not peer reviewed but it is the most serious attempt I’ve seen. Also it is not contaminated by US politics.
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@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.
What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?
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Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.
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@jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":
Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.
We've got people who think that drinking lots of Indian tonic water helps keep you safe. I don't think the difference between double-blind and blind drunk is going to make much of an impact to a lot of folks.
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It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).
People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.
You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.
Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.
It might not.
But, I still don't see any compelling science.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":
It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).
People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.
You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.
Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.
It might not.
But, I still don't see any compelling science.
That’s my view as well.
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@lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":
That’s my view as well.
If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":
It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).
People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.
You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.
Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.
It might not.
But, I still don't see any compelling science.
I wear a mask to be respectful and don’t when other people aren’t wearing them. I don’t worry much about Covid for myself at the moment but I wouldn’t go to an indoor venue for a music event.
I’ve been flying a bit and see that people are good about wearing masks, and right ones and shape right up when they are told to put it over their nose. I can’t tell if some people are trying to test the system but I see they value more not being on the no fly list.
