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"Do Masks Work?"

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #31

    Way too many variables to be of much use, imo

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      Way too many variables to be of much use, imo

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      Jolly
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      #32

      @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

      Way too many variables to be of much use, imo

      Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.

      1. Cloth masks suck.
      2. Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

        Way too many variables to be of much use, imo

        Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.

        1. Cloth masks suck.
        2. Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.
        LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        #33

        @jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":

        @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

        Way too many variables to be of much use, imo

        Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.

        1. Cloth masks suck.
        2. Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.

        @jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":

        @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

        Way too many variables to be of much use, imo

        Yeah, but it dovetails with the findings of the Australia/Vietnam study.

        1. Cloth masks suck.
        2. Surgical masks do work better and can slow transmission down a bit.

        But if I remember correctly, the Aussie study also didn’t account for behavioral changes that could have had an effect. Also, didn’t I see another study on a preventative medicine (AZ, I believe) that showed 30% reduction in symptomatic cases, but it was dismissed because 30% was deemed as possibly coincidental?

        The Brad

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          Loki
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          #34

          The latest on impact of masks.

          https://theweek.com/coronavirus/1004402/the-study-that-should-basically-end-any-scientific-debate-about-masks

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #35

            You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

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              Loki
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              #36

              @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

              You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

              What about the study did you take issue with? Over 300,000 individuals sounds like a lot but it was Bangladesh and it was likely not peer reviewed but it is the most serious attempt I’ve seen. Also it is not contaminated by US politics.

              https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

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                Aqua Letifer
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                #37

                @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

                What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?

                Please love yourself.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by Jolly
                  #38

                  Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #39

                    @jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":

                    Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.

                    We've got people who think that drinking lots of Indian tonic water helps keep you safe. I don't think the difference between double-blind and blind drunk is going to make much of an impact to a lot of folks.

                    I was only joking

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                      The best information I can get hold of is this.

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                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #41

                        It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                        People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                        You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                        Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                        It might not.

                        But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          I wore one today going into a small green grocer, because they recommended it. I did not when I got my haircut. Who knows. If I am in a place where a lot of folks are I don't mind.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            I wore one today going into a small green grocer, because they recommended it. I did not when I got my haircut. Who knows. If I am in a place where a lot of folks are I don't mind.

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                            @mik said in "Do Masks Work?":

                            I wore one today going into a small green grocer, because they recommended it. I did not when I got my haircut. Who knows. If I am in a place where a lot of folks are I don't mind.

                            Same here

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                            • George KG George K

                              It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                              People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                              You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                              Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                              It might not.

                              But, I still don't see any compelling science.

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #44

                              @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                              It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                              People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                              You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                              Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                              It might not.

                              But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                              That’s my view as well.

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                                People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                                You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                                Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                                It might not.

                                But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                                That’s my view as well.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #45

                                @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                That’s my view as well.

                                If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                                  People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                                  You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                                  Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                                  It might not.

                                  But, I still don't see any compelling science.

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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #46

                                  @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                  It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                                  People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                                  You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                                  Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                                  It might not.

                                  But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                                  I wear a mask to be respectful and don’t when other people aren’t wearing them. I don’t worry much about Covid for myself at the moment but I wouldn’t go to an indoor venue for a music event.

                                  I’ve been flying a bit and see that people are good about wearing masks, and right ones and shape right up when they are told to put it over their nose. I can’t tell if some people are trying to test the system but I see they value more not being on the no fly list.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    That’s my view as well.

                                    If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    #47

                                    @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    That’s my view as well.

                                    If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.

                                    As pointed out by your post earlier about the 2 month spikes, the results of these tests could be based simply on where in the timeline we are measuring….

                                    The Brad

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                      You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

                                      What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?

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                                      @aqua-letifer said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                      @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                      You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

                                      What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?

                                      It was Bangladeshi statistics.

                                      What percentage of the Bangladeshi people can count to 10?

                                      Find a country where at least 50% of the survey respondents can understand the question.

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                                        Loki
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                                        #49

                                        Defense of the study.

                                        https://www.livescience.com/randomized-trial-shows-surgical-masks-work-curbing-covid.html

                                        US researchers involved. Currently being peer reviewed.

                                        Looks like we may get an answer.

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