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"Do Masks Work?"

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  • L Offline
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    Loki
    wrote on last edited by
    #34

    The latest on impact of masks.

    https://theweek.com/coronavirus/1004402/the-study-that-should-basically-end-any-scientific-debate-about-masks

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #35

      You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

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        Loki
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        @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

        You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

        What about the study did you take issue with? Over 300,000 individuals sounds like a lot but it was Bangladesh and it was likely not peer reviewed but it is the most serious attempt I’ve seen. Also it is not contaminated by US politics.

        https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

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          Aqua Letifer
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          #37

          @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

          You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

          What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?

          Please love yourself.

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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by Jolly
            #38

            Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #39

              @jolly said in "Do Masks Work?":

              Full study, peer-reviewed on American soil and repeatable in a situation with a similar R.

              We've got people who think that drinking lots of Indian tonic water helps keep you safe. I don't think the difference between double-blind and blind drunk is going to make much of an impact to a lot of folks.

              I was only joking

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                The best information I can get hold of is this.

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                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  George K
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                  It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                  People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                  You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                  Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                  It might not.

                  But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    #42

                    I wore one today going into a small green grocer, because they recommended it. I did not when I got my haircut. Who knows. If I am in a place where a lot of folks are I don't mind.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I wore one today going into a small green grocer, because they recommended it. I did not when I got my haircut. Who knows. If I am in a place where a lot of folks are I don't mind.

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                      @mik said in "Do Masks Work?":

                      I wore one today going into a small green grocer, because they recommended it. I did not when I got my haircut. Who knows. If I am in a place where a lot of folks are I don't mind.

                      Same here

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                      • George KG George K

                        It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                        People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                        You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                        Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                        It might not.

                        But, I still don't see any compelling science.

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #44

                        @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                        It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                        People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                        You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                        Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                        It might not.

                        But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                        That’s my view as well.

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                          It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                          People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                          You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                          Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                          It might not.

                          But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                          That’s my view as well.

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                          George K
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                          @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                          That’s my view as well.

                          If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                            People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                            You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                            Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                            It might not.

                            But, I still don't see any compelling science.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #46

                            @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                            It's really frustrating. People scream "Follow the science!" when there really is no good science that it makes a difference. Looking at North and South Dakota seems to be a good comparison (though, I'm sure there are many uncontrolled variables).

                            People who mask probably "socially distance." Which is the variable that makes a difference? I'll submit that we'll never know.

                            You're not going to get a good peer-reviewed double-blind study.

                            Those comments said, yeah, I wear a mask because, well, why the hell not? It might make a difference.

                            It might not.

                            But, I still don't see any compelling science.

                            I wear a mask to be respectful and don’t when other people aren’t wearing them. I don’t worry much about Covid for myself at the moment but I wouldn’t go to an indoor venue for a music event.

                            I’ve been flying a bit and see that people are good about wearing masks, and right ones and shape right up when they are told to put it over their nose. I can’t tell if some people are trying to test the system but I see they value more not being on the no fly list.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                              That’s my view as well.

                              If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #47

                              @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                              @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                              That’s my view as well.

                              If the "science" used to justify masks were applied to vaccines, we'd have no one vaccinated.

                              As pointed out by your post earlier about the 2 month spikes, the results of these tests could be based simply on where in the timeline we are measuring….

                              The Brad

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

                                What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?

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                                @aqua-letifer said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                @lufins-dad said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                You mean the study that did nothing of the sort? It ended no debate.

                                What level of assurance would you need to feel comfortable with a rough rule of thumb?

                                It was Bangladeshi statistics.

                                What percentage of the Bangladeshi people can count to 10?

                                Find a country where at least 50% of the survey respondents can understand the question.

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                                  Loki
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                                  Defense of the study.

                                  https://www.livescience.com/randomized-trial-shows-surgical-masks-work-curbing-covid.html

                                  US researchers involved. Currently being peer reviewed.

                                  Looks like we may get an answer.

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