Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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This may be a nit but Biden’s opposition was not if but when. His advice was that more confirmation was needed and finally ultimately agreed with Obama.
So it doesn’t demonstrate decisive leadership on his part but anyone who characterizes his opposition as based on taking him out as a bad idea is flat wrong. An authentic criticism is his “flinching” at a key opportunity.
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We’ve been negotiating with the Taliban for years now.
The writing has been on the wall - Afghanistan was not worth it. The left and right agree to that (including Trump).
Americans want out. This is the inevitable result of pulling out with the Taliban still around.
I don’t get how this would have been diff if we had a diff President.
FWIW - ny personal thought is “you break it, you bought it”, and we should have stuck it out.
I thought that when Trump was preparing the pull out as well.
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Yeah, there's clearly been a gradual shift towards this over the past 8-12 years.
I'm actually a little surprised it took the US this long to lose interest.
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Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
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The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
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@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.
People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.
People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
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@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British learned it in the 19th Century.
"....second as farce."
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The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
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@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.
I was only joking
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@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.
Hey, you're the one that brought it up...
