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  • HoraceH Online
    HoraceH Online
    Horace
    wrote on last edited by
    #40

    Trump "firing up his supporters" is qualitatively different than the left firing up their supporters. We are watching the proof. It would be good if we could all admit to it.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      No, you had what some electors did to try to win the election for Hillary in 2016 in your back pocket but never played the card because you enjoyed the smug knowledge.

      jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #41

      @Horace said in Trump himself consents to transition:

      No, you had what some electors did to try to win the election for Hillary in 2016 in your back pocket but never played the card because you enjoyed the smug knowledge.

      Nope. I was very explicit. Invalidate whole classes of votes and enlist legislatures to appoint competing electors. I even referenced the precedent of 1876.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • HoraceH Online
        HoraceH Online
        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #42

        And I was explicit that if loopholes exist, they need to be closed. I think we're all convinced at this point that the security of the system is paramount. Not the personalities in alleged charge.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Trump "firing up his supporters" is qualitatively different than the left firing up their supporters. We are watching the proof. It would be good if we could all admit to it.

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #43

          @Horace said in Trump himself consents to transition:

          Trump "firing up his supporters" is qualitatively different than the left firing up their supporters. We are watching the proof. It would be good if we could all admit to it.

          Joe Biden or Barack Obama have never, as far as I am aware, suggested that people should commit crimes, or riot, or behave violently.

          Donald Trump has very clearly lied about the election result being fraudulent, and has also made oh-so-funny suggestions regarding how protesters should be treated.

          In my previous post I was going to say "and all the while, their supporters play games of whataboutism", but didn't. Clearly I didn't need to bother.

          I was only joking

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          • HoraceH Online
            HoraceH Online
            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #44

            Whataboutism is a great excuse for those who just choose to hate everything. Congratulations, you can accuse every part of every discussion of whataboutism. But actually whataboutism is how ideas and opinions are refined. There's nothing inherently wrong with whataboutism. it would be difficult to think about other people and how they think, without it.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
              #45

              If all we ever do is point the finger about how the other side are worse or as bad, how is anything ever going to get better?

              I was only joking

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                #46

                This was my concern expressed 5.5 months ago.

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                What saved us is the answer to my last question was 'yes'. Other institutions saved us from Trumps attempt to subvert our democracy. Specifically, state courts and the conscience of Michigan's GOP leaders. In absence of the latter it's highly likely that Michigan's state courts would have protected us. This time.

                But yes, I agree with your point, @Horace. We need to make sure some other Trump-like figure couldn't do this again.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • HoraceH Online
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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #47

                  And again, to take no personal responsibility for the floyd riots is disingenuous for anybody who enjoys expressing righteous outrage every time a narrative is created around how awful the lives of minorities are. When the narrative is clearly disingenuous to begin with.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    This was my concern expressed 5.5 months ago.

                    Screen Shot 2020-11-24 at 1.32.15 PM.png

                    What saved us is the answer to my last question was 'yes'. Other institutions saved us from Trumps attempt to subvert our democracy. Specifically, state courts and the conscience of Michigan's GOP leaders. In absence of the latter it's highly likely that Michigan's state courts would have protected us. This time.

                    But yes, I agree with your point, @Horace. We need to make sure some other Trump-like figure couldn't do this again.

                    HoraceH Online
                    HoraceH Online
                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #48

                    @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                    This was my concern expressed 5.5 months ago.

                    Screen Shot 2020-11-24 at 1.32.15 PM.png

                    What saved us is the answer to my last question was 'yes'. Other institutions saved us from Trumps attempt to subvert our democracy. Specifically, state courts and the conscience of Michigan's GOP leaders. In absence of the latter it's highly likely that Michigan's state courts would have protected us. This time.

                    But yes, I agree with your point, @Horace. We need to make sure some other Trump-like figure couldn't do this again.

                    Right, it's just a Trump-like figure. Not the electors that tried to steal the election from him in 2016.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #49

                      Dude - do some googling. More electors abandoned Hillary than abandoned Trump.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        If all we ever do is point the finger about how the other side are worse or as bad, how is anything ever going to get better?

                        HoraceH Online
                        HoraceH Online
                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #50

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                        If all we ever do is point the finger about how the other side are worse or as bad, how is anything ever going to get better?

                        I don't expect things to get better. But I won't say that whataboutism is inherently a bad mode of thinking.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Dude - do some googling. More electors abandoned Hillary than abandoned Trump.

                          HoraceH Online
                          HoraceH Online
                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #51

                          @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                          Dude - do some googling. More electors abandoned Hillary than abandoned Trump.

                          What was their motivation?

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nyc
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                            #52

                            Attention seeking, I would presume.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                              If all we ever do is point the finger about how the other side are worse or as bad, how is anything ever going to get better?

                              I don't expect things to get better. But I won't say that whataboutism is inherently a bad mode of thinking.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                              #53

                              @Horace said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                              But I won't say that whataboutism is inherently a bad mode of thinking.

                              How's it working out for us so far?

                              It's really simple. If we keep on doing what we're doing, we're just going to get more of what we've got.

                              I was only joking

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Attention seeking, I would presume.

                                HoraceH Online
                                HoraceH Online
                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #54

                                @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                Attention seeking, I would presume.

                                Do some googling.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  @Horace said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                  But I won't say that whataboutism is inherently a bad mode of thinking.

                                  How's it working out for us so far?

                                  It's really simple. If we keep on doing what we're doing, we're just going to get more of what we've got.

                                  HoraceH Online
                                  HoraceH Online
                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #55

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                  @Horace said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                  But I won't say that whataboutism is inherently a bad mode of thinking.

                                  How's it working out for us so far?

                                  It's really simple. If we keep on doing what we're doing, we're just going to get more of what we've got.

                                  Yes I get the nihilism. But I also get the absence of solutions.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #56

                                    How anyone can equate looting, burning and killing with due process in a court of law begs belief...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      How anyone can equate looting, burning and killing with due process in a court of law begs belief...

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #57

                                      @Jolly said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                      How anyone can equate looting, burning and killing with due process in a court of law begs belief...

                                      That's not what I said.

                                      I'm fucking done with this shit.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #58

                                        Your choice.

                                        Enjoy your day.😘

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Your choice.

                                          Enjoy your day.😘

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                                          Catseye3
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                                          @Jolly said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                          Your choice.
                                          Enjoy your day

                                          No, you don't get to pull that holier-than-thou shit after posting one of your off-world responses to something somebody said. I went back and reviewed the thread, and Phibes said nothing like what you accused him of.

                                          And what you meant to say is "defies belief", not begs belief. At least get your distortions right.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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