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Puzzle time - the Fibonacci numbers

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Interesting observation:

    Cycle lengths 2^n = 3*2^(n-1) at least within the first 100. Does that continue?

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    @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - the Fibonacci numbers:

    Interesting observation:

    Cycle lengths 2^n = 3*2^(n-1) at least within the first 100. Does that continue?

    bump for Klaus and his little 4 line program.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - the Fibonacci numbers:

      Interesting observation:

      Cycle lengths 2^n = 3*2^(n-1) at least within the first 100. Does that continue?

      bump for Klaus and his little 4 line program.

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      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - the Fibonacci numbers:

      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - the Fibonacci numbers:

      Interesting observation:

      Cycle lengths 2^n = 3*2^(n-1) at least within the first 100. Does that continue?

      bump for Klaus and his little 4 line program.

      Can you explain? You mean that the cycle length of Fib mod (2^n) is the same as Fib mod (3*2^(n-1))? That doesn't seem to be true.

      I uploaded the first 10,000 cycle lengths here, if you want to check this yourself.
      https://www.heypasteit.com/clip/0IV18W

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        No, the cycle length of Fib mod (2^n) = 3*2^(n-1))

        Check Fmod2, Fmod4, Fmod8, Fmod16 etc for their cycle lengths. You’ll get 3,6,12,24,48 etc. I’m wondering if it holds. I think it will.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Here's a list of pairs where the first number shows the "n" (but only for powers of 2) and the second one the associated cycle length. Maybe I missunderstood something but your conjecture doesn't seem to hold.

          [(2,6),(4,24),(8,60),(16,24),(32,36),(64,120),(128,420),(256,264),(512,516),(1024,72),(2048,600),(4096,1368),(8192,720)]
          
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            #24

            But your original list is this one:

            (left side numbering mine, right side list yours)

            3e9774ed-e059-4cd4-956f-c8646a08d27b-image.png

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              Ah, looks like an "off by two" error somewhere. Hmm....

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                Turned out to be two "off by 1" errors that have to do with indices starting at 0 and not 1.

                What about this result?

                [(2,3),(4,6),(8,12),(16,24),(32,48),(64,96),(128,192),(256,384),(512,768),(1024,1536),(2048,3072),(4096,6144),(8192,12288)]
                
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                  #27

                  It looks like linear relations between the cycle length happen quite frequently. This is a scatter plot of the cycle lengths I computed above (haven't used R in a while - fun for plotting data!). Observe all the dotted lines. The points you identified are on one of those lines. Also interesting to see a few outliers.

                  440d6f5b-c0a6-4d2d-b301-7d3d66c1fafd-image.png

                  I have marked the points you are interested in in red. You see that there are way more points on that line.

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                    Interesting.

                    So it turns out Fibonacci cycle lengths a thing people study. They’re called Pisano numbers and understanding them is really about understanding Pisano numbers for prime powers.

                    A neat property is that if n and m are coprime then period(mn) is least common multiple of period(n) and period(m).

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Wait a minute, is that really your graph up there? This is from Wiki

                      396851CA-71EE-4E8B-AB14-42964B4121AC.png

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Yes, it's my graph. I haven't seen the WIki graph yet, but it shows the same data, so of course it's similar. It's an interesting coincidence that they also cut off at 10,000.

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                          Just for fun, here's the continuation of the dataset for cycle lengths up to 20000.

                          1549ea7c-ea85-4eca-aea0-3b73c980f9aa-image.png

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