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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on last edited by
    #203

    The really interesting thing is that if Trump was convicted in FL, he wouldn’t be allowed to vote in November, but because he was convicted in NY, which allows Justice Impacted Individuals to vote, he will be allowed to vote.

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

      Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

      Uh, no.

      There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.

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      89th
      wrote on last edited by
      #204

      @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

      @89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

      Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

      Uh, no.

      There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.

      I'm sure you're right. I was skimming this from the SEC: https://www.sec.gov/info/smallbus/secg/bad-actor-small-entity-compliance-guide

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #205

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #206

          More from @shipwreckedcrew

          The theory that Bragg's Office ultimately pushed the most aggressively in the latter stages of the case and at closing was that the false business records were intented to cover up a NY state law crime of "conspiracy to promote the election of any person to public office by unlawful means."

          The unlawful means was the filing of the false records to hide the NDA payments.

          The "filing of false records" charge -- standing alone -- is a misdemeanor, barred by the statute of limitations.

          The "conspiracy to promote the election" -- is a misdemeanor, barred by the statute of limitations.

          It is only by COMBINING two misdemeanors -- neither of which could be prosecuted -- that the Democrat machine could create a felony charge that was within the longer statute of limitations.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #207

            Tell me it was a political trial without telling me it was a political trial.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #208

              Someone refer this woman to a urogynecologist, please.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #209

                It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

                  taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #210

                  @Mik said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                  It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

                  As an aside.
                  (that is why I have trouble believing any conspiracy theories. In a world where almost EVERYONE is willing to share ANYTHING, to have a conspiracy that would require hundreds/thousands of people to be involved yet nobody says a word is hard to believe.)

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #211

                    Trump's lawyers speak:

                    “I think that the jury instructions had a very key flaw here, which is the falsification of business records had to be in furtherance of some other crime and there wasn’t really great instructions on what that other crime was,” Parlatore said in response to a question about whether the jury instructions might lead to an appeals court overturning the verdict.

                    “Under New York state law, they’re not required to say which it is. But when they do, the judge has to instruct them on that specific crime. And the problem here is they don’t have to prove that they actually committed that other crime. They don’t have to prove that they actually had [Federal Election Commission] violations, but they have to show that what they intended to do was in fact a crime. And that I think is really the shortfall in the jury instructions is the lack of an explanation to this jury as to the federal election law.”

                    CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig and criminal defense attorney Michael O’Mara on Friday said Trump’s appeal will plausibly be based on the case’s unprecedented nature and Merchan not sequestering the jury.

                    “I think there’s a great likelihood, and the reason why is there are a number of issues,” O’Mara said in response to a question about the likelihood of the appeal succeeding. “I have always complained about the way this jury was or was not handled during the trial. I think with the massive focus on this case that they should have been sequestered. They certainly should have been sequestered during the deliberations. I think they should have been sequestered for the week before.

                    My non-legal opinion is that another cause for appeal was in pre-trial motions denying the defense's request to call some witnesses.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #212

                      Saw an interview with Dersh about Trump's lawyers. He said that some were quite good, while a few were lacking. It was his opinion that Trump would benefit from bringing in a couple of attorneys familiar with the New York appeal process.

                      That's all well and fine, but this is New York and any New York lawyer who represents Trump will be hounded.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #213

                        By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                          JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #214

                          @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                          By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                          Of course.

                          Now, mull about the proximity of the sentencing date to the GOP convention.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • George KG George K

                            By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                            George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #215

                            @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                            By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                            The case is done. Trump is convicted. How is it that Trump can't address the case, or its witnesses?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #216

                              Dersh made some interesting comments - specifically that Trump's lawyers were sloppy in not preserving the record for appeal.

                              IOW, if it's not in the record, it didn't happen. Usually appellate courts review transcripts.

                              The issue of the witness being denied is, apparently, not in the record.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG Offline
                                George KG Offline
                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #217

                                And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                                "Reluctant?"

                                This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                                Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                                  "Reluctant?"

                                  This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                                  Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                                  LuFins DadL Offline
                                  LuFins DadL Offline
                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #218

                                  @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                  And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                                  "Reluctant?"

                                  This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                                  Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                                  See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                    And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                                    "Reluctant?"

                                    This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                                    Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                                    See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
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                                    #219

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                    I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ

                                    Yup that's him.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #220

                                      Yeah, it would be like you deciding to quit your practice and taking a position as a PA at a smaller office.

                                      The Brad

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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #221

                                        If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations

                                        Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.

                                        Countries That Deny Entry to Felons

                                        Argentina
                                        Australia
                                        Brazil
                                        Cambodia
                                        Canada
                                        Chile
                                        China
                                        Cuba
                                        Dominican Republic
                                        Egypt
                                        Ethiopia
                                        Hong Kong
                                        India
                                        Indonesia
                                        Iran
                                        Ireland
                                        Israel
                                        Japan
                                        Kenya
                                        Macau
                                        Malaysia
                                        Mexico
                                        Morocco
                                        Nepal
                                        New Zealand
                                        Peru
                                        Philippines
                                        Singapore
                                        South Africa
                                        South Korea
                                        Taiwan
                                        Tanzania
                                        Tunisia
                                        Turkey
                                        Ukraine
                                        United Arab Emirates
                                        United Kingdom
                                        United States
                                        
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                                        • JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #222

                                          Keep dreaming...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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