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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #209

    It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

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      taiwan_girl
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      #210

      @Mik said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

      It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

      As an aside.
      (that is why I have trouble believing any conspiracy theories. In a world where almost EVERYONE is willing to share ANYTHING, to have a conspiracy that would require hundreds/thousands of people to be involved yet nobody says a word is hard to believe.)

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #211

        Trump's lawyers speak:

        “I think that the jury instructions had a very key flaw here, which is the falsification of business records had to be in furtherance of some other crime and there wasn’t really great instructions on what that other crime was,” Parlatore said in response to a question about whether the jury instructions might lead to an appeals court overturning the verdict.

        “Under New York state law, they’re not required to say which it is. But when they do, the judge has to instruct them on that specific crime. And the problem here is they don’t have to prove that they actually committed that other crime. They don’t have to prove that they actually had [Federal Election Commission] violations, but they have to show that what they intended to do was in fact a crime. And that I think is really the shortfall in the jury instructions is the lack of an explanation to this jury as to the federal election law.”

        CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig and criminal defense attorney Michael O’Mara on Friday said Trump’s appeal will plausibly be based on the case’s unprecedented nature and Merchan not sequestering the jury.

        “I think there’s a great likelihood, and the reason why is there are a number of issues,” O’Mara said in response to a question about the likelihood of the appeal succeeding. “I have always complained about the way this jury was or was not handled during the trial. I think with the massive focus on this case that they should have been sequestered. They certainly should have been sequestered during the deliberations. I think they should have been sequestered for the week before.

        My non-legal opinion is that another cause for appeal was in pre-trial motions denying the defense's request to call some witnesses.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #212

          Saw an interview with Dersh about Trump's lawyers. He said that some were quite good, while a few were lacking. It was his opinion that Trump would benefit from bringing in a couple of attorneys familiar with the New York appeal process.

          That's all well and fine, but this is New York and any New York lawyer who represents Trump will be hounded.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #213

            By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #214

              @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

              By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

              Of course.

              Now, mull about the proximity of the sentencing date to the GOP convention.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • George KG George K

                By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #215

                @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                The case is done. Trump is convicted. How is it that Trump can't address the case, or its witnesses?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #216

                  Dersh made some interesting comments - specifically that Trump's lawyers were sloppy in not preserving the record for appeal.

                  IOW, if it's not in the record, it didn't happen. Usually appellate courts review transcripts.

                  The issue of the witness being denied is, apparently, not in the record.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #217

                    And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                    "Reluctant?"

                    This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                    Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                      "Reluctant?"

                      This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                      Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #218

                      @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                      And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                      "Reluctant?"

                      This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                      Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                      See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                        And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                        "Reluctant?"

                        This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                        Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                        See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

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                        George K
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                        #219

                        @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                        I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ

                        Yup that's him.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #220

                          Yeah, it would be like you deciding to quit your practice and taking a position as a PA at a smaller office.

                          The Brad

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                            #221

                            If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations

                            Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.

                            Countries That Deny Entry to Felons

                            Argentina
                            Australia
                            Brazil
                            Cambodia
                            Canada
                            Chile
                            China
                            Cuba
                            Dominican Republic
                            Egypt
                            Ethiopia
                            Hong Kong
                            India
                            Indonesia
                            Iran
                            Ireland
                            Israel
                            Japan
                            Kenya
                            Macau
                            Malaysia
                            Mexico
                            Morocco
                            Nepal
                            New Zealand
                            Peru
                            Philippines
                            Singapore
                            South Africa
                            South Korea
                            Taiwan
                            Tanzania
                            Tunisia
                            Turkey
                            Ukraine
                            United Arab Emirates
                            United Kingdom
                            United States
                            
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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #222

                              Keep dreaming...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #223

                                Well, if Eric is telling the truth, $200M.

                                Since Thursday.

                                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13486189/donald-trump-2024-campaign-raised-millions-guilty-verdict-trial.html?ico=related-replace

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Keep dreaming...

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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  #224

                                  @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                  Keep dreaming...

                                  I am not dreaming. It was interesting buy obvious he would get special permission from any country. No doubt.

                                  The article mentions that 2nd President Bush needed special permission to go to the UK because of a drunk drive incident years ago.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #225

                                    Interesting. I went there all the time and even got a work permit despite a DUI on my record.

                                    In fact I got the work permit within months of getting my DUI.

                                    You were warned.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Interesting. I went there all the time and even got a work permit despite a DUI on my record.

                                      In fact I got the work permit within months of getting my DUI.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #226

                                      @jon-nyc PResident Trump may be contacting you if he wins in Nov.on tips and assistance when he has to travel.

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                                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        #227

                                        Hey, did Trump ever get the money from the NDA back?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #228

                                          I don't think so...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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