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The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #211

    Trump's lawyers speak:

    “I think that the jury instructions had a very key flaw here, which is the falsification of business records had to be in furtherance of some other crime and there wasn’t really great instructions on what that other crime was,” Parlatore said in response to a question about whether the jury instructions might lead to an appeals court overturning the verdict.

    “Under New York state law, they’re not required to say which it is. But when they do, the judge has to instruct them on that specific crime. And the problem here is they don’t have to prove that they actually committed that other crime. They don’t have to prove that they actually had [Federal Election Commission] violations, but they have to show that what they intended to do was in fact a crime. And that I think is really the shortfall in the jury instructions is the lack of an explanation to this jury as to the federal election law.”

    CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig and criminal defense attorney Michael O’Mara on Friday said Trump’s appeal will plausibly be based on the case’s unprecedented nature and Merchan not sequestering the jury.

    “I think there’s a great likelihood, and the reason why is there are a number of issues,” O’Mara said in response to a question about the likelihood of the appeal succeeding. “I have always complained about the way this jury was or was not handled during the trial. I think with the massive focus on this case that they should have been sequestered. They certainly should have been sequestered during the deliberations. I think they should have been sequestered for the week before.

    My non-legal opinion is that another cause for appeal was in pre-trial motions denying the defense's request to call some witnesses.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #212

      Saw an interview with Dersh about Trump's lawyers. He said that some were quite good, while a few were lacking. It was his opinion that Trump would benefit from bringing in a couple of attorneys familiar with the New York appeal process.

      That's all well and fine, but this is New York and any New York lawyer who represents Trump will be hounded.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #213

        By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #214

          @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

          By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

          Of course.

          Now, mull about the proximity of the sentencing date to the GOP convention.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • George KG George K

            By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #215

            @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

            By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

            The case is done. Trump is convicted. How is it that Trump can't address the case, or its witnesses?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #216

              Dersh made some interesting comments - specifically that Trump's lawyers were sloppy in not preserving the record for appeal.

              IOW, if it's not in the record, it didn't happen. Usually appellate courts review transcripts.

              The issue of the witness being denied is, apparently, not in the record.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #217

                And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                "Reluctant?"

                This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                  "Reluctant?"

                  This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                  Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #218

                  @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                  And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                  "Reluctant?"

                  This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                  Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                  See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                    "Reluctant?"

                    This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                    Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                    See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
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                    @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ

                    Yup that's him.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #220

                      Yeah, it would be like you deciding to quit your practice and taking a position as a PA at a smaller office.

                      The Brad

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                      • taiwan_girlT Online
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                        If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations

                        Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.

                        Countries That Deny Entry to Felons

                        Argentina
                        Australia
                        Brazil
                        Cambodia
                        Canada
                        Chile
                        China
                        Cuba
                        Dominican Republic
                        Egypt
                        Ethiopia
                        Hong Kong
                        India
                        Indonesia
                        Iran
                        Ireland
                        Israel
                        Japan
                        Kenya
                        Macau
                        Malaysia
                        Mexico
                        Morocco
                        Nepal
                        New Zealand
                        Peru
                        Philippines
                        Singapore
                        South Africa
                        South Korea
                        Taiwan
                        Tanzania
                        Tunisia
                        Turkey
                        Ukraine
                        United Arab Emirates
                        United Kingdom
                        United States
                        
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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #222

                          Keep dreaming...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #223

                            Well, if Eric is telling the truth, $200M.

                            Since Thursday.

                            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13486189/donald-trump-2024-campaign-raised-millions-guilty-verdict-trial.html?ico=related-replace

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Keep dreaming...

                              taiwan_girlT Online
                              taiwan_girlT Online
                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #224

                              @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              Keep dreaming...

                              I am not dreaming. It was interesting buy obvious he would get special permission from any country. No doubt.

                              The article mentions that 2nd President Bush needed special permission to go to the UK because of a drunk drive incident years ago.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #225

                                Interesting. I went there all the time and even got a work permit despite a DUI on my record.

                                In fact I got the work permit within months of getting my DUI.

                                You were warned.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Interesting. I went there all the time and even got a work permit despite a DUI on my record.

                                  In fact I got the work permit within months of getting my DUI.

                                  taiwan_girlT Online
                                  taiwan_girlT Online
                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #226

                                  @jon-nyc PResident Trump may be contacting you if he wins in Nov.on tips and assistance when he has to travel.

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    Hey, did Trump ever get the money from the NDA back?

                                    The Brad

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
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                                      I don't think so...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        #229

                                        He should sue.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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