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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #206

    More from @shipwreckedcrew

    The theory that Bragg's Office ultimately pushed the most aggressively in the latter stages of the case and at closing was that the false business records were intented to cover up a NY state law crime of "conspiracy to promote the election of any person to public office by unlawful means."

    The unlawful means was the filing of the false records to hide the NDA payments.

    The "filing of false records" charge -- standing alone -- is a misdemeanor, barred by the statute of limitations.

    The "conspiracy to promote the election" -- is a misdemeanor, barred by the statute of limitations.

    It is only by COMBINING two misdemeanors -- neither of which could be prosecuted -- that the Democrat machine could create a felony charge that was within the longer statute of limitations.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #207

      Tell me it was a political trial without telling me it was a political trial.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #208

        Someone refer this woman to a urogynecologist, please.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #209

          It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

            taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on last edited by
            #210

            @Mik said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

            It seems nothing is beyond disclosing publicly anymore.

            As an aside.
            (that is why I have trouble believing any conspiracy theories. In a world where almost EVERYONE is willing to share ANYTHING, to have a conspiracy that would require hundreds/thousands of people to be involved yet nobody says a word is hard to believe.)

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #211

              Trump's lawyers speak:

              “I think that the jury instructions had a very key flaw here, which is the falsification of business records had to be in furtherance of some other crime and there wasn’t really great instructions on what that other crime was,” Parlatore said in response to a question about whether the jury instructions might lead to an appeals court overturning the verdict.

              “Under New York state law, they’re not required to say which it is. But when they do, the judge has to instruct them on that specific crime. And the problem here is they don’t have to prove that they actually committed that other crime. They don’t have to prove that they actually had [Federal Election Commission] violations, but they have to show that what they intended to do was in fact a crime. And that I think is really the shortfall in the jury instructions is the lack of an explanation to this jury as to the federal election law.”

              CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig and criminal defense attorney Michael O’Mara on Friday said Trump’s appeal will plausibly be based on the case’s unprecedented nature and Merchan not sequestering the jury.

              “I think there’s a great likelihood, and the reason why is there are a number of issues,” O’Mara said in response to a question about the likelihood of the appeal succeeding. “I have always complained about the way this jury was or was not handled during the trial. I think with the massive focus on this case that they should have been sequestered. They certainly should have been sequestered during the deliberations. I think they should have been sequestered for the week before.

              My non-legal opinion is that another cause for appeal was in pre-trial motions denying the defense's request to call some witnesses.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #212

                Saw an interview with Dersh about Trump's lawyers. He said that some were quite good, while a few were lacking. It was his opinion that Trump would benefit from bringing in a couple of attorneys familiar with the New York appeal process.

                That's all well and fine, but this is New York and any New York lawyer who represents Trump will be hounded.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #213

                  By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #214

                    @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                    Of course.

                    Now, mull about the proximity of the sentencing date to the GOP convention.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG George K

                      By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #215

                      @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                      By the way, even though the case has been adjudicated, the gag order is still in effect.

                      The case is done. Trump is convicted. How is it that Trump can't address the case, or its witnesses?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #216

                        Dersh made some interesting comments - specifically that Trump's lawyers were sloppy in not preserving the record for appeal.

                        IOW, if it's not in the record, it didn't happen. Usually appellate courts review transcripts.

                        The issue of the witness being denied is, apparently, not in the record.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #217

                          And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                          "Reluctant?"

                          This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                          Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                            "Reluctant?"

                            This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                            Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #218

                            @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                            And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                            "Reluctant?"

                            This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                            Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                            See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              And just when you thought you couldn't hate the media enough.

                              "Reluctant?"

                              This guy RAN FOR OFFICE with the goal of convicting Trump.

                              Screenshot 2024-06-01 at 11.29.34 AM.png

                              See the guy directly to the right of Bragg? I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ, to become an Assistant Prosecutor… Hmmmm…

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #219

                              @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              I think that’s the guy who gave up being the #3 Guy at DoJ

                              Yup that's him.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #220

                                Yeah, it would be like you deciding to quit your practice and taking a position as a PA at a smaller office.

                                The Brad

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                                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                  #221

                                  If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations

                                  Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.

                                  Countries That Deny Entry to Felons

                                  Argentina
                                  Australia
                                  Brazil
                                  Cambodia
                                  Canada
                                  Chile
                                  China
                                  Cuba
                                  Dominican Republic
                                  Egypt
                                  Ethiopia
                                  Hong Kong
                                  India
                                  Indonesia
                                  Iran
                                  Ireland
                                  Israel
                                  Japan
                                  Kenya
                                  Macau
                                  Malaysia
                                  Mexico
                                  Morocco
                                  Nepal
                                  New Zealand
                                  Peru
                                  Philippines
                                  Singapore
                                  South Africa
                                  South Korea
                                  Taiwan
                                  Tanzania
                                  Tunisia
                                  Turkey
                                  Ukraine
                                  United Arab Emirates
                                  United Kingdom
                                  United States
                                  
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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #222

                                    Keep dreaming...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #223

                                      Well, if Eric is telling the truth, $200M.

                                      Since Thursday.

                                      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13486189/donald-trump-2024-campaign-raised-millions-guilty-verdict-trial.html?ico=related-replace

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Keep dreaming...

                                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                        Keep dreaming...

                                        I am not dreaming. It was interesting buy obvious he would get special permission from any country. No doubt.

                                        The article mentions that 2nd President Bush needed special permission to go to the UK because of a drunk drive incident years ago.

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #225

                                          Interesting. I went there all the time and even got a work permit despite a DUI on my record.

                                          In fact I got the work permit within months of getting my DUI.

                                          You were warned.

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