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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by Copper
    #87

    If Ramaswamy was the biggest loser of the night, Haley was the biggest winner.

    According to fox

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/first-republican-debate-biggest-loser-biggest-winner

    I wish they would tell us who had the best self-awareness.

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    • George KG George K

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      taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on last edited by
      #88

      @George-K said in Debate day….:

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      I have thought the exact same thing for a lot of the Republic candidates!!! LOL

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        @George-K said in Debate day….:

        F4Sn0DHXQAA6OjL.jpeg

        I have thought the exact same thing for a lot of the Republic candidates!!! LOL

        HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #89

        @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

        @George-K said in Debate day….:

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        I have thought the exact same thing for a lot of the Republic candidates!!! LOL

        Vivek's answer to that is that 30% of the US population gets psychologically ill when Trump is in office, but he, Vivek, doesn't have that effect. I don't think he helped his cause last night, if he's looking to keep people from going nuts at the prospect of President Ramaswamy.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • N NobodySock

          Link to video

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #90

          @NobodySock That video changes everything! Thank you so much for changing my life! I will move on as a different man and it’s all thanks to you and that video. Everything that I accomplish from here on out will be due in some way to you and your influence on my life.

          The Brad

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          • N Offline
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            NobodySock
            wrote on last edited by
            #91

            glad to remove the veil covering your eyes.

            Now that you can see, it's time to truly be a patriot like me, instead of a whining right wing rube who actually hates America. Projection will only go so far.

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            • N Offline
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              NobodySock
              wrote on last edited by
              #92

              Link to video

              Here is an example of a patriot in case you need a hand in the right direction

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #93

                Sure that is some brilliant video

                But the phrase "racist dog-whistle" is actually a racist dog-whistle.

                This man must be cancelled.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  #94

                  From FiveThirtyEight: Who won?

                  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republican-debate-august-poll/

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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    #95

                    @George-K So everybody is a winner!!! LOL

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @George-K So everybody is a winner!!! LOL

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #96

                      @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                      @George-K So everybody is a winner!!! LOL

                      No, if you look at the first chart, you see Trump's support decline.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

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                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #97

                        @George-K said in Debate day….:

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                        GOv Christie agrees.

                        “If Vivek thinks that Donald Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century, what the hell is he doing running?” Christie said. “He should drop out tomorrow.”

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                        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #98

                          One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                          QUOTE
                          The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                          The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                          Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                          Normal:
                          Nikki Haley
                          Asa Hutchinson

                          Semi Normal:
                          Chris Christie
                          Doug Burgum

                          Abnormal:
                          Mike Pence
                          Ron DeSantis
                          Tim Scott
                          Vivek Ramaswamy

                          https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                          HoraceH LuFins DadL 2 Replies Last reply
                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                            QUOTE
                            The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                            The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                            Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                            Normal:
                            Nikki Haley
                            Asa Hutchinson

                            Semi Normal:
                            Chris Christie
                            Doug Burgum

                            Abnormal:
                            Mike Pence
                            Ron DeSantis
                            Tim Scott
                            Vivek Ramaswamy

                            https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                            HoraceH Offline
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #99

                            @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                            One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                            QUOTE
                            The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                            The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                            Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                            Normal:
                            Nikki Haley
                            Asa Hutchinson

                            Semi Normal:
                            Chris Christie
                            Doug Burgum

                            Abnormal:
                            Mike Pence
                            Ron DeSantis
                            Tim Scott
                            Vivek Ramaswamy

                            https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                            Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                              One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                              QUOTE
                              The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                              The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                              Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                              Normal:
                              Nikki Haley
                              Asa Hutchinson

                              Semi Normal:
                              Chris Christie
                              Doug Burgum

                              Abnormal:
                              Mike Pence
                              Ron DeSantis
                              Tim Scott
                              Vivek Ramaswamy

                              https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                              Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                              taiwan_girlT Offline
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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #100

                              @Horace said in Debate day….:

                              Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                              As a random Republic voter, how would you categorize the candidates?

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @Horace said in Debate day….:

                                Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                As a random Republic voter, how would you categorize the candidates?

                                HoraceH Offline
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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #101

                                @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                @Horace said in Debate day….:

                                Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                As a random Republic voter, how would you categorize the candidates?

                                I actually didn't watch the whole thing. I have an extraordinarily busy lifestyle, and sometimes politics must take a back seat.

                                I've already posted my opinions about what I did see. Ramaswamy was cringier than I was hoping. However I can imagine that if that were the first time hearing his message, as I imagine it was for many viewers, it could have been compelling. My expectations were for the message and more maturity. He doesn't need to be 38 and also a kid acting like he's on a playground. I expect him to turn the maturity up a notch in the future debates. He's not a Trump character, unable to switch gears based on feedback and reflection. As for the other candidates, I thought Haley commanded the stage well and was effective when she tried to put Ramaswamy in his place. Christie can get the conservative never Trumper vote, fine, but he seemed like more of a comedian than a president. Pence is a plastic product of some kind.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #102

                                  I would not categorize them in that rather stupid hierarchy.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                    QUOTE
                                    The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                    The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                    Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                    Normal:
                                    Nikki Haley
                                    Asa Hutchinson

                                    Semi Normal:
                                    Chris Christie
                                    Doug Burgum

                                    Abnormal:
                                    Mike Pence
                                    Ron DeSantis
                                    Tim Scott
                                    Vivek Ramaswamy

                                    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
                                    LuFins DadL Offline
                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #103

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                    One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                    QUOTE
                                    The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                    The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                    Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                    Normal:
                                    Nikki Haley
                                    Asa Hutchinson

                                    Semi Normal:
                                    Chris Christie
                                    Doug Burgum

                                    Abnormal:
                                    Mike Pence
                                    Ron DeSantis
                                    Tim Scott
                                    Vivek Ramaswamy

                                    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                    Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                      One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                      QUOTE
                                      The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                      The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                      Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                      Normal:
                                      Nikki Haley
                                      Asa Hutchinson

                                      Semi Normal:
                                      Chris Christie
                                      Doug Burgum

                                      Abnormal:
                                      Mike Pence
                                      Ron DeSantis
                                      Tim Scott
                                      Vivek Ramaswamy

                                      https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                      Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                      taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #104

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Debate day….:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                      One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                      QUOTE
                                      The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                      The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                      Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                      Normal:
                                      Nikki Haley
                                      Asa Hutchinson

                                      Semi Normal:
                                      Chris Christie
                                      Doug Burgum

                                      Abnormal:
                                      Mike Pence
                                      Ron DeSantis
                                      Tim Scott
                                      Vivek Ramaswamy

                                      https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                      Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Debate day….:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                      One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                      QUOTE
                                      The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                      The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                      Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                      Normal:
                                      Nikki Haley
                                      Asa Hutchinson

                                      Semi Normal:
                                      Chris Christie
                                      Doug Burgum

                                      Abnormal:
                                      Mike Pence
                                      Ron DeSantis
                                      Tim Scott
                                      Vivek Ramaswamy

                                      https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                      Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                      My understanding (maybe incorrect) was that the labels related to how close to the center they were.

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #105

                                        Nobody normal is going to want to be President. It's a self-selecting freak show.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #106

                                          Seen on Twitter:

                                          Debate Summary:

                                          • Nikki Haley was the least bad
                                          • Vivek Ramaswamy is insufferable
                                          • Ron DeSantis is the most awkward person alive
                                          • Mike Pence might as well be in a Witness Protection Program
                                          • Chris Christie is preaching to the wrong choir

                                          You’re all caught up.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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