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  • George KG George K

    As a point of process...no cheers should be allowed. This isn't "Real Time with Bill Maher."

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    #85

    @George-K said in Debate day….:

    As a point of process...no cheers should be allowed. This isn't "Real Time with Bill Maher."

    I did not watch it and have only heard parts of the debate. But I agree 100%.

    They should not have an audience for future debates. They only "minus" from the debate and add no "plusses"

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    • N NobodySock

      Typical republican projection at its finest. Don’t you feel ashamed?

      Your brainwashing began with Limbaugh and continues full force with Fox and company. What’s it really like to be a member of a cult? Is there self awareness?

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      #86

      @NobodySock said in Debate day….:

      self awareness

      Is a very popular word now.

      You can really make yourself look clever by claiming someone lacks self-awareness.

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      • CopperC Offline
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        #87

        If Ramaswamy was the biggest loser of the night, Haley was the biggest winner.

        According to fox

        https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/first-republican-debate-biggest-loser-biggest-winner

        I wish they would tell us who had the best self-awareness.

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        • George KG George K

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          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          #88

          @George-K said in Debate day….:

          F4Sn0DHXQAA6OjL.jpeg

          I have thought the exact same thing for a lot of the Republic candidates!!! LOL

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @George-K said in Debate day….:

            F4Sn0DHXQAA6OjL.jpeg

            I have thought the exact same thing for a lot of the Republic candidates!!! LOL

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            wrote on last edited by
            #89

            @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

            @George-K said in Debate day….:

            F4Sn0DHXQAA6OjL.jpeg

            I have thought the exact same thing for a lot of the Republic candidates!!! LOL

            Vivek's answer to that is that 30% of the US population gets psychologically ill when Trump is in office, but he, Vivek, doesn't have that effect. I don't think he helped his cause last night, if he's looking to keep people from going nuts at the prospect of President Ramaswamy.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • N NobodySock

              Link to video

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              #90

              @NobodySock That video changes everything! Thank you so much for changing my life! I will move on as a different man and it’s all thanks to you and that video. Everything that I accomplish from here on out will be due in some way to you and your influence on my life.

              The Brad

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                NobodySock
                wrote on last edited by
                #91

                glad to remove the veil covering your eyes.

                Now that you can see, it's time to truly be a patriot like me, instead of a whining right wing rube who actually hates America. Projection will only go so far.

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                  NobodySock
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                  #92

                  Link to video

                  Here is an example of a patriot in case you need a hand in the right direction

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                  • CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
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                    #93

                    Sure that is some brilliant video

                    But the phrase "racist dog-whistle" is actually a racist dog-whistle.

                    This man must be cancelled.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      #94

                      From FiveThirtyEight: Who won?

                      https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republican-debate-august-poll/

                      Screenshot 2023-08-25 at 6.42.18 AM.png

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #95

                        @George-K So everybody is a winner!!! LOL

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @George-K So everybody is a winner!!! LOL

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                          #96

                          @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                          @George-K So everybody is a winner!!! LOL

                          No, if you look at the first chart, you see Trump's support decline.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

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                            taiwan_girlT Offline
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                            #97

                            @George-K said in Debate day….:

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                            GOv Christie agrees.

                            “If Vivek thinks that Donald Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century, what the hell is he doing running?” Christie said. “He should drop out tomorrow.”

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                            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                              taiwan_girl
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                              #98

                              One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                              QUOTE
                              The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                              The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                              Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                              Normal:
                              Nikki Haley
                              Asa Hutchinson

                              Semi Normal:
                              Chris Christie
                              Doug Burgum

                              Abnormal:
                              Mike Pence
                              Ron DeSantis
                              Tim Scott
                              Vivek Ramaswamy

                              https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                QUOTE
                                The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                Normal:
                                Nikki Haley
                                Asa Hutchinson

                                Semi Normal:
                                Chris Christie
                                Doug Burgum

                                Abnormal:
                                Mike Pence
                                Ron DeSantis
                                Tim Scott
                                Vivek Ramaswamy

                                https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                HoraceH Offline
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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #99

                                @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                QUOTE
                                The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                Normal:
                                Nikki Haley
                                Asa Hutchinson

                                Semi Normal:
                                Chris Christie
                                Doug Burgum

                                Abnormal:
                                Mike Pence
                                Ron DeSantis
                                Tim Scott
                                Vivek Ramaswamy

                                https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                  One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                  QUOTE
                                  The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                  The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                  Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                  Normal:
                                  Nikki Haley
                                  Asa Hutchinson

                                  Semi Normal:
                                  Chris Christie
                                  Doug Burgum

                                  Abnormal:
                                  Mike Pence
                                  Ron DeSantis
                                  Tim Scott
                                  Vivek Ramaswamy

                                  https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                  Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                  taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #100

                                  @Horace said in Debate day….:

                                  Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                  As a random Republic voter, how would you categorize the candidates?

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @Horace said in Debate day….:

                                    Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                    As a random Republic voter, how would you categorize the candidates?

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
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                                    #101

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                    @Horace said in Debate day….:

                                    Nice to get the opinion of a random democrat voter.

                                    As a random Republic voter, how would you categorize the candidates?

                                    I actually didn't watch the whole thing. I have an extraordinarily busy lifestyle, and sometimes politics must take a back seat.

                                    I've already posted my opinions about what I did see. Ramaswamy was cringier than I was hoping. However I can imagine that if that were the first time hearing his message, as I imagine it was for many viewers, it could have been compelling. My expectations were for the message and more maturity. He doesn't need to be 38 and also a kid acting like he's on a playground. I expect him to turn the maturity up a notch in the future debates. He's not a Trump character, unable to switch gears based on feedback and reflection. As for the other candidates, I thought Haley commanded the stage well and was effective when she tried to put Ramaswamy in his place. Christie can get the conservative never Trumper vote, fine, but he seemed like more of a comedian than a president. Pence is a plastic product of some kind.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      #102

                                      I would not categorize them in that rather stupid hierarchy.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                        QUOTE
                                        The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                        The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                        Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                        Normal:
                                        Nikki Haley
                                        Asa Hutchinson

                                        Semi Normal:
                                        Chris Christie
                                        Doug Burgum

                                        Abnormal:
                                        Mike Pence
                                        Ron DeSantis
                                        Tim Scott
                                        Vivek Ramaswamy

                                        https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #103

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                        One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                        QUOTE
                                        The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                        The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                        Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                        Normal:
                                        Nikki Haley
                                        Asa Hutchinson

                                        Semi Normal:
                                        Chris Christie
                                        Doug Burgum

                                        Abnormal:
                                        Mike Pence
                                        Ron DeSantis
                                        Tim Scott
                                        Vivek Ramaswamy

                                        https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                        Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                          One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                          QUOTE
                                          The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                          The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                          Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                          Normal:
                                          Nikki Haley
                                          Asa Hutchinson

                                          Semi Normal:
                                          Chris Christie
                                          Doug Burgum

                                          Abnormal:
                                          Mike Pence
                                          Ron DeSantis
                                          Tim Scott
                                          Vivek Ramaswamy

                                          https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                          Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #104

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Debate day….:

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                          One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                          QUOTE
                                          The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                          The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                          Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                          Normal:
                                          Nikki Haley
                                          Asa Hutchinson

                                          Semi Normal:
                                          Chris Christie
                                          Doug Burgum

                                          Abnormal:
                                          Mike Pence
                                          Ron DeSantis
                                          Tim Scott
                                          Vivek Ramaswamy

                                          https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                          Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Debate day….:

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Debate day….:

                                          One opinion on the current state of the "GOP" candidates.

                                          QUOTE
                                          The first Republican presidential debate on Aug. 23 revealed three categories of candidates: a couple who might be sensible pragmatists, a couple others who might be sensible if they weren’t trying to contort themselves into ruthless conservatives, and a third group in hot pursuit of the fringiest elements of the GOP.

                                          The most sensible candidates don’t always win national elections.

                                          Many voters value performance over substance or want somebody who makes them feel good rather than promising responsible governance. ....... it’s likely the GOP nominee will be a bomb-thrower rather than a Reaganite establishmentarian.

                                          Normal:
                                          Nikki Haley
                                          Asa Hutchinson

                                          Semi Normal:
                                          Chris Christie
                                          Doug Burgum

                                          Abnormal:
                                          Mike Pence
                                          Ron DeSantis
                                          Tim Scott
                                          Vivek Ramaswamy

                                          https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/there-might-be-3-normalish-republican-presidential-candidates-180854063.html

                                          Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott carry the highest favorability rating of any candidates including the Democrats. I wouldn’t call that abnormal.

                                          My understanding (maybe incorrect) was that the labels related to how close to the center they were.

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