Trump to be indicted - again.
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots. I might dislike them, I might disagree with them, but I certainly don't think anybody who disagrees with my own little personal way of doing things is an idiot.
I've never thought Trump was particularly smart, and he's clearly getting worse. He clearly thinks he's a freaking genius, and what he has is a gift for self-promotion. But smart? At this point?
Edit - I wasn't trying to reply to myself, but I'm an idiot too, so there you go.
I was only joking
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This is what happens when you spend most of your life surrounded by people telling you how awesome you are.
What an idiot.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
This is what happens when you spend most of your life surrounded by people telling you how awesome you are.
What an idiot.
I can think of at least a few people who told him that he was not awesome
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
This is what happens when you spend most of your life surrounded by people telling you how awesome you are.
What an idiot.
I can think of at least a few people who told him that he was not awesome
@Copper said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
I can think of at least a few people who told him that he was not awesome
Losers, to a man. Just ask him.
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
To be fair, we talk primarily about the questionable ones.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots. I might dislike them, I might disagree with them, but I certainly don't think anybody who disagrees with my own little personal way of doing things is an idiot.
I've never thought Trump was particularly smart, and he's clearly getting worse. He clearly thinks he's a freaking genius, and what he has is a gift for self-promotion. But smart? At this point?
Edit - I wasn't trying to reply to myself, but I'm an idiot too, so there you go.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
I've never thought Trump was particularly smart, and he's clearly getting worse. He clearly thinks he's a freaking genius, and what he has is a gift for self-promotion. But smart? At this point?
I actually think Trump is incredibly sharp. His memory is noteworthy, and he’s able to think very quickly which results in fun debate or press conference performances.
But indeed his obsession with ratings, winning, rankings, and media coverage has blinded him.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
I've never thought Trump was particularly smart, and he's clearly getting worse. He clearly thinks he's a freaking genius, and what he has is a gift for self-promotion. But smart? At this point?
I actually think Trump is incredibly sharp. His memory is noteworthy, and he’s able to think very quickly which results in fun debate or press conference performances.
But indeed his obsession with ratings, winning, rankings, and media coverage has blinded him.
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I bet that guy with the carbon fiber submarine had a high IQ, too.
Sure didn't stop him being an idiot.
An inability to accept advice you don't like from people who are more knowledgeable than you on a given subject can lead to problems....
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
Name three nationally known.
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Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill
(at least two of whom were assholes)
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BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.
True waving it around wouldn’t make him guilty of sharing classified info.
But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal. The timing of the tape (after repeatedly telling the feds he doesn’t have them) establishes willfulness AND obstruction AND lying to the feds. And the confession that he could have declassified it but didn’t undermines his former claims that he had done so.
So yeah, this is enough to put the orange man in orange dress.
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@Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
I don't think he considered Thatcher an idiot.
On whether one ever considers any politician as something other than an idiot, you can also throw in, say, Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan or King Solomon.
1000 wives? Solomon was an idiot.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
I don't think he considered Thatcher an idiot.
On whether one ever considers any politician as something other than an idiot, you can also throw in, say, Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan or King Solomon.
1000 wives? Solomon was an idiot.
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1 Kings 4:29
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Do you consider Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan as something other than an idiot?
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.
True waving it around wouldn’t make him guilty of sharing classified info.
But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal. The timing of the tape (after repeatedly telling the feds he doesn’t have them) establishes willfulness AND obstruction AND lying to the feds. And the confession that he could have declassified it but didn’t undermines his former claims that he had done so.
So yeah, this is enough to put the orange man in orange dress.
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Plans? What plans?
Now he says he didn't have any classified documents, he was just waving around papers from his desk.
Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.
“Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”
Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.
“No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”
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Plans? What plans?
Now he says he didn't have any classified documents, he was just waving around papers from his desk.
Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.
“Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”
Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.
“No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”
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Well, there are multiple reports of Trump brandishing (yeah, that's a good word) a classified document, and it being caught on tape.
If this is the tape, and if this is the document being talked about, it's not in the indictment. Therefore it's irrelevant other than a mens rea argument. This is not evidence.
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