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  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
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    #162

    I bet that guy with the carbon fiber submarine had a high IQ, too.

    Sure didn't stop him being an idiot.

    An inability to accept advice you don't like from people who are more knowledgeable than you on a given subject can lead to problems....

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

      Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?

      Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #163

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

      @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

      Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?

      Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.

      Name three nationally known.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
        #164

        Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill

        (at least two of whom were assholes)

        I was only joking

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.

          JonJ Offline
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          Jon
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          #165

          @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.

          True waving it around wouldn’t make him guilty of sharing classified info.

          But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal. The timing of the tape (after repeatedly telling the feds he doesn’t have them) establishes willfulness AND obstruction AND lying to the feds. And the confession that he could have declassified it but didn’t undermines his former claims that he had done so.

          So yeah, this is enough to put the orange man in orange dress.

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            @George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?

            I don't think he considered Thatcher an idiot.

            On whether one ever considers any politician as something other than an idiot, you can also throw in, say, Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan or King Solomon.

            1000 wives? Solomon was an idiot.

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            Axtremus
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            #166

            @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            @Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            @George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

            Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?

            I don't think he considered Thatcher an idiot.

            On whether one ever considers any politician as something other than an idiot, you can also throw in, say, Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan or King Solomon.

            1000 wives? Solomon was an idiot.

            1. 1 Kings 4:29

            2. Do you consider Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan as something other than an idiot?

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            • JonJ Jon

              @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

              BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.

              True waving it around wouldn’t make him guilty of sharing classified info.

              But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal. The timing of the tape (after repeatedly telling the feds he doesn’t have them) establishes willfulness AND obstruction AND lying to the feds. And the confession that he could have declassified it but didn’t undermines his former claims that he had done so.

              So yeah, this is enough to put the orange man in orange dress.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #167

              @Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

              But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal.

              The waved-around document is not part of the indictment.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JonJ Offline
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                Jon
                wrote on last edited by
                #168

                It could be. As I mentioned before, he could file charges in NJ federal court too.

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                • JonJ Jon

                  It could be. As I mentioned before, he could file charges in NJ federal court too.

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                  George K
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                  @Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                  It could be.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    #170

                    Plans? What plans?

                    Now he says he didn't have any classified documents, he was just waving around papers from his desk.


                    Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.

                    “Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”

                    Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.

                    “No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      Plans? What plans?

                      Now he says he didn't have any classified documents, he was just waving around papers from his desk.


                      Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.

                      “Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”

                      Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.

                      “No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”

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                      George K
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                      #171

                      @89th said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                      “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”

                      Stop. Just. Stop.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        89th
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                        #172

                        Clearly as a legal expert here, I'd imagine this is a decent defense. I mean, if you can't prove a document was there, it would be hard to convict. Then again, like you posted, I don't think this was part of the indictment anyway.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          Well, there are multiple reports of Trump brandishing (yeah, that's a good word) a classified document, and it being caught on tape.

                          If this is the tape, and if this is the document being talked about, it's not in the indictment. Therefore it's irrelevant other than a mens rea argument. This is not evidence.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                            It could be.

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                            Jon
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                            #174

                            @George-K

                            You missed my point. He could file additional charges in NJ. That’s what I meant by ‘could’. It’s not too late.

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                            • JonJ Jon

                              @George-K

                              You missed my point. He could file additional charges in NJ. That’s what I meant by ‘could’. It’s not too late.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                              You missed my point.

                              Ah, yes. I did.

                              He could file additional charges in NJ.

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                NobodySock
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                                #176

                                LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.

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                                • N NobodySock

                                  LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #177

                                  @NobodySock good to see you!

                                  How did that Russian collusion thing work out for you, by the way?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Horace
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                                    #178

                                    Contrary to popular belief, most Trump supporters did not in fact vote for him in order to watch him burn the country down. Unfortunately, TDS sufferers are at a place where they will joyfully watch the country burn, as long as Trump is caught in the inferno.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • N NobodySock

                                      LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
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                                      #179

                                      @NobodySock said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                                      LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.

                                      Thought you were dead.

                                      Guess not.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        Contrary to popular belief, most Trump supporters did not in fact vote for him in order to watch him burn the country down. Unfortunately, TDS sufferers are at a place where they will joyfully watch the country burn, as long as Trump is caught in the inferno.

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                                        Jolly
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                                        @Horace said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                                        Contrary to popular belief, most Trump supporters did not in fact vote for him in order to watch him burn the country down. Unfortunately, TDS sufferers are at a place where they will joyfully watch the country burn, as long as Trump is caught in the inferno.

                                        Yep.

                                        Never seen anything like it. It's been said of Trump that he is a mirror, allowing people to see what they really are.

                                        Sure are some shriveled souls out there, charred by hate.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JonJ Offline
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                                          Maybe there’s something to be gleaned from the fact that his supporters attempt to pathologize criticism of Trump rather than defend him.

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