Trump to be indicted - again.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 15:56 last edited by
Well, there you have it.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
I've never thought Trump was particularly smart, and he's clearly getting worse. He clearly thinks he's a freaking genius, and what he has is a gift for self-promotion. But smart? At this point?
I actually think Trump is incredibly sharp. His memory is noteworthy, and he’s able to think very quickly which results in fun debate or press conference performances.
But indeed his obsession with ratings, winning, rankings, and media coverage has blinded him.
wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 16:06 last edited by@89th said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
He clearly thinks he's a freaking genius
His IQ is above average.
For his race
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 16:56 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I bet that guy with the carbon fiber submarine had a high IQ, too.
Sure didn't stop him being an idiot.
An inability to accept advice you don't like from people who are more knowledgeable than you on a given subject can lead to problems....
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 18:14 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
Plenty of them on both sides aren't idiots.
Name three nationally known.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 18:48 last edited by Doctor Phibes
Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill
(at least two of whom were assholes)
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BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.
wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 19:13 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.
True waving it around wouldn’t make him guilty of sharing classified info.
But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal. The timing of the tape (after repeatedly telling the feds he doesn’t have them) establishes willfulness AND obstruction AND lying to the feds. And the confession that he could have declassified it but didn’t undermines his former claims that he had done so.
So yeah, this is enough to put the orange man in orange dress.
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@Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
I don't think he considered Thatcher an idiot.
On whether one ever considers any politician as something other than an idiot, you can also throw in, say, Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan or King Solomon.
1000 wives? Solomon was an idiot.
wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 20:03 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
Just as an exercise, have you ever considered any politician as something other than an idiot?
I don't think he considered Thatcher an idiot.
On whether one ever considers any politician as something other than an idiot, you can also throw in, say, Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan or King Solomon.
1000 wives? Solomon was an idiot.
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1 Kings 4:29
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Do you consider Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan as something other than an idiot?
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
BTW, he can wave the documents around as much as he wants or he can talk about them being secret. Neither is a violation.
True waving it around wouldn’t make him guilty of sharing classified info.
But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal. The timing of the tape (after repeatedly telling the feds he doesn’t have them) establishes willfulness AND obstruction AND lying to the feds. And the confession that he could have declassified it but didn’t undermines his former claims that he had done so.
So yeah, this is enough to put the orange man in orange dress.
wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 11:22 last edited by@Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
But waving them around makes it clear that he possesses them which is illegal.
The waved-around document is not part of the indictment.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 12:07 last edited by
It could be. As I mentioned before, he could file charges in NJ federal court too.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 12:12 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 12:23 last edited by
Plans? What plans?
Now he says he didn't have any classified documents, he was just waving around papers from his desk.
Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.
“Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”
Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.
“No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”
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Plans? What plans?
Now he says he didn't have any classified documents, he was just waving around papers from his desk.
Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.
“Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”
Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.
“No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”
wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 12:26 last edited by@89th said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
“I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”
Stop. Just. Stop.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 12:44 last edited by
Clearly as a legal expert here, I'd imagine this is a decent defense. I mean, if you can't prove a document was there, it would be hard to convict. Then again, like you posted, I don't think this was part of the indictment anyway.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 13:08 last edited by
Well, there are multiple reports of Trump brandishing (yeah, that's a good word) a classified document, and it being caught on tape.
If this is the tape, and if this is the document being talked about, it's not in the indictment. Therefore it's irrelevant other than a mens rea argument. This is not evidence.
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You missed my point. He could file additional charges in NJ. That’s what I meant by ‘could’. It’s not too late.
wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 14:38 last edited by@Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
You missed my point.
Ah, yes. I did.
He could file additional charges in NJ.
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wrote on 29 Jun 2023, 23:35 last edited by
LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.
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LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.
wrote on 29 Jun 2023, 23:36 last edited by@NobodySock good to see you!
How did that Russian collusion thing work out for you, by the way?
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wrote on 30 Jun 2023, 01:55 last edited by
Contrary to popular belief, most Trump supporters did not in fact vote for him in order to watch him burn the country down. Unfortunately, TDS sufferers are at a place where they will joyfully watch the country burn, as long as Trump is caught in the inferno.
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LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.
wrote on 30 Jun 2023, 02:01 last edited by@NobodySock said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
LOL. Hanging on to the dire end. And this is just the preamble to the biggest American criminal trial in history coming up next. Stock up on the popcorn. This is going to be such a good show.
Thought you were dead.
Guess not.