Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
Safety testing is so boring, and stifles innovation and all that. That's not a woke attitude, that's a young hot-shot attitude. Also, some old white guys think like that too - frequently because they want to save money.
Incidentally, on a vaguely related note our new boss came in this year, and apparently said "All I'm seeing are a bunch of old white guys". He wasn't wrong, but he won't be seeing us for long, and then they're going to be screwed.
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I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
Safety testing is so boring, and stifles innovation and all that. That's not a woke attitude, that's a young hot-shot attitude. Also, some old white guys think like that too - frequently because they want to save money.
Incidentally, on a vaguely related note our new boss came in this year, and apparently said "All I'm seeing are a bunch of old white guys". He wasn't wrong, but he won't be seeing us for long, and then they're going to be screwed.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:34 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
You say that like there's a difference.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
You say that like there's a difference.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Horace said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
You say that like there's a difference.
Of course there is. It's not about whether he's woke or not, it's about him being young and arrogant. One of the Trump boys could easily have made the same mistake, and they're not exactly woke. As I said earlier, I see this attitude quite a lot from people who are highly educated technically, but are often running start-ups and small businesses.
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@Horace said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
You say that like there's a difference.
Of course there is. It's not about whether he's woke or not, it's about him being young and arrogant. One of the Trump boys could easily have made the same mistake, and they're not exactly woke. As I said earlier, I see this attitude quite a lot from people who are highly educated technically, but are often running start-ups and small businesses.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:40 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Horace said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
You say that like there's a difference.
Of course there is. It's not about whether he's woke or not, it's about him being young and arrogant. One of the Trump boys could easily have made the same mistake, and they're not exactly woke.
I doubt the Trump boys would go around making fun of old white military officers and their fuddy duddy ways.
I don't think anybody not captured in some part by progressive culture, goes around using the word "white" pejoratively. Like apparently your new boss does.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Horace said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I don't know that the videos I saw were particularly 'woke', more like him trying to be all cool and young and innovative.
You say that like there's a difference.
Of course there is. It's not about whether he's woke or not, it's about him being young and arrogant. One of the Trump boys could easily have made the same mistake, and they're not exactly woke.
I doubt the Trump boys would go around making fun of old white military officers and their fuddy duddy ways.
I don't think anybody not captured in some part by progressive culture, goes around using the word "white" pejoratively. Like apparently your new boss does.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:41 last edited by RenaudaI doubt the Trump boys would go around making fun of old white military officers and their fuddy duddy ways.
Maybe not make fun but subject them to unwarranted derision as happened to H. R. McMaster, John Kelly and James Mattis.
The Trump crowd/boys are every bit as losthesome as their left wing opponents in this regard.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 15:01 last edited by
I think there's a real danger of turning every bad thing into being about wokeness. This is about people ignoring safety protocols, and people have been doing this sort of thing for centuries. Don Blankenship of Massey Energy is a good example, and you couldn't find a less woke individual. Scott of the Antarctic also springs to mind, although at least he wasn't taking unsuspecting tourists along with him.
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I doubt the Trump boys would go around making fun of old white military officers and their fuddy duddy ways.
Maybe not make fun but subject them to unwarranted derision as happened to H. R. McMaster, John Kelly and James Mattis.
The Trump crowd/boys are every bit as losthesome as their left wing opponents in this regard.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 15:01 last edited by@Renauda said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I doubt the Trump boys would go around making fun of old white military officers and their fuddy duddy ways.
Maybe not make fun but subject them to unwarranted derision as happened to H. R. McMaster, John Kelly and James Mattis.
The Trump crowd/boys are every bit as losthesome as their left wing opponents in this regard.
You can think what you will about that criticism, but by no principle is military immune to critics. What people should in principle be immune from, is criticism based on their skin color.
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I think there's a real danger of turning every bad thing into being about wokeness. This is about people ignoring safety protocols, and people have been doing this sort of thing for centuries. Don Blankenship of Massey Energy is a good example, and you couldn't find a less woke individual. Scott of the Antarctic also springs to mind, although at least he wasn't taking unsuspecting tourists along with him.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 15:03 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I think there's a real danger of turning every bad thing into being about wokeness. This is about people ignoring safety protocols, and people have been doing this sort of thing for centuries. Don Blankenship of Massey Energy is a good example, and you couldn't find a less woke individual. Scott of the Antarctic also springs to mind, although at least he wasn't taking unsuspecting tourists along with him.
I agree that the 'woke' thing is a sideshow in this case. This failure was about engineering hubris.
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@Renauda said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I doubt the Trump boys would go around making fun of old white military officers and their fuddy duddy ways.
Maybe not make fun but subject them to unwarranted derision as happened to H. R. McMaster, John Kelly and James Mattis.
The Trump crowd/boys are every bit as losthesome as their left wing opponents in this regard.
You can think what you will about that criticism, but by no principle is military immune to critics. What people should in principle be immune from, is criticism based on their skin color.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 15:11 last edited by RenaudaWhat people should in principle be immune from, is criticism based on their skin color.
I don’t believe that is limited to the left or wokeness. It stems from ignorance and fear and there is an abundance of both of those irrespective of ideology
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 15:33 last edited by
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 17:13 last edited by
Can you copy and post it? I can't see it. Paywall.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 17:13 last edited by
Although I have a pretty good idea.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 18:17 last edited byLink to video
I remember seeing this a while back. The Titan(ic) is shown at 3:30.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 18:19 last edited by
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 18:31 last edited by
So even if they find them…
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So even if they find them…
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 18:45 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
So even if they find them…
That's sort of what @Klaus was alluding to. Even if found, actually bringing it to the surface in time is a daunting task. Does the Titan even have any kind of rescue-attaching thingamabobs?
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 18:50 last edited by
I'm fairly confident the Titan will never be found. It took forever to find the Titanic.
Unrelated, how are squids not crushed to death at that depth? (Answered it as I typed this, google says its because creatures like that are made mostly of water and/or do not have air that can be compressed in)
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 22:11 last edited by
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I'm fairly confident the Titan will never be found. It took forever to find the Titanic.
Unrelated, how are squids not crushed to death at that depth? (Answered it as I typed this, google says its because creatures like that are made mostly of water and/or do not have air that can be compressed in)
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 22:37 last edited by Renauda@89th said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
I'm fairly confident the Titan will never be found. It took forever to find the Titanic.
That’s because it took us forever to develop and deploy the technology to find it. Once that technology was available - thank you, Cold War era investment and engineers - it was just a matter of time to hone the skills to deploy it for archeological endeavours.
We have the technical means to locate Titan. Curiosity as well. I am sure there will also be the investment to make it happen.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 22:39 last edited by
I think we can find it.
But should we attempt to raise it?