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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • N NobodySock

    @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    Shouldn't be that way.

    With the way the internet and media now work, stories are not vetted and travel through the public at the speed of light. To make a mistake is bad, but to intentionally plant a false story should be criminal.

    Kinda like saying an election was stolen even though you have zero evidence.

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    Jolly
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    #254

    @NobodySock said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    Shouldn't be that way.

    With the way the internet and media now work, stories are not vetted and travel through the public at the speed of light. To make a mistake is bad, but to intentionally plant a false story should be criminal.

    Kinda like saying an election was stolen even though you have zero evidence.

    Hard to do, when the courts won't admit what evidence that was gathered.

    Did you enjoy 2000 Mules?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Horace

      So, the rapist is an illegal immigrant, according to the 11th paragraph of a CNN story I read about the arrest.

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      Jolly
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      #255

      @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      So, the rapist is an illegal immigrant, according to the 11th paragraph of a CNN story I read about the arrest.

      Well...That means The Resident will quit talking about this and move on.

      Run away! Run away!

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Axtremus
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        #256

        https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn5mn/ohio-rape-abortion-child-americans-united-for-life

        Catherine Glenn Foster, the head of Americans United for Life, had this to say in Congress:

        “If a 10-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape and it was threatening her life, then that’s not an abortion,”

        The nonsensical denial is really strong in this one.

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        • N NobodySock

          @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          Shouldn't be that way.

          With the way the internet and media now work, stories are not vetted and travel through the public at the speed of light. To make a mistake is bad, but to intentionally plant a false story should be criminal.

          Kinda like saying an election was stolen even though you have zero evidence.

          LarryL Offline
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          Larry
          wrote on last edited by
          #257

          @NobodySock said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          Shouldn't be that way.

          With the way the internet and media now work, stories are not vetted and travel through the public at the speed of light. To make a mistake is bad, but to intentionally plant a false story should be criminal.

          Kinda like saying an election was stolen even though you have zero evidence.

          You mean like Hillary claimed? Twice? Like Al Gore claimed?

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #258

            AOC is unclear on the concept.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Horace
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              #259

              It’s her emotional truth.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                It’s her emotional truth.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #260

                @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                It’s her emotional truth.

                "Alternative Facts!" FTW.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                  #261

                  https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/15/indiana-doc-abortion-10-year-old-ag-cease-and-desist-00046156


                  The doctor at the center of a firestorm over abortion rights sent a cease and desist letter to Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita on Friday demanding that he stop “making false and misleading statements” about her to the press.

                  An attorney for Caitlin Bernard — the OB-GYN who performed an abortion on a 10-year-old rape survivor from Ohio whose case grabbed national attention this week — told Rokita that his public threat to criminally prosecute her and his suggestion that she did not report the abortion to the proper state authorities “forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim.”
                  ...


                  Argue all you want that "abortion by a 10 year old rape victim" is or should be legal in all states. The reality is already there are elected Republican leaders very much reluctant to acknowledge the legality of letting a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion, and even after one is performed, already there is a state Attorney General publicly threatening to criminally prosecute a doctor for performing the abortion for a 10 year old rape victim that you all like to claim is or should be legal in all states.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/15/indiana-doc-abortion-10-year-old-ag-cease-and-desist-00046156


                    The doctor at the center of a firestorm over abortion rights sent a cease and desist letter to Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita on Friday demanding that he stop “making false and misleading statements” about her to the press.

                    An attorney for Caitlin Bernard — the OB-GYN who performed an abortion on a 10-year-old rape survivor from Ohio whose case grabbed national attention this week — told Rokita that his public threat to criminally prosecute her and his suggestion that she did not report the abortion to the proper state authorities “forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim.”
                    ...


                    Argue all you want that "abortion by a 10 year old rape victim" is or should be legal in all states. The reality is already there are elected Republican leaders very much reluctant to acknowledge the legality of letting a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion, and even after one is performed, already there is a state Attorney General publicly threatening to criminally prosecute a doctor for performing the abortion for a 10 year old rape victim that you all like to claim is or should be legal in all states.

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                    Horace
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                    @Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/15/indiana-doc-abortion-10-year-old-ag-cease-and-desist-00046156


                    The doctor at the center of a firestorm over abortion rights sent a cease and desist letter to Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita on Friday demanding that he stop “making false and misleading statements” about her to the press.

                    An attorney for Caitlin Bernard — the OB-GYN who performed an abortion on a 10-year-old rape survivor from Ohio whose case grabbed national attention this week — told Rokita that his public threat to criminally prosecute her and his suggestion that she did not report the abortion to the proper state authorities “forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim.”
                    ...


                    Argue all you want that "abortion by a 10 year old rape victim" is or should be legal in all states. The reality is already there are elected Republican leaders very much reluctant to acknowledge the legality of letting a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion, and even after one is performed, already there is a state Attorney General publicly threatening to criminally prosecute a doctor for performing the abortion for a 10 year old rape victim that you all like to claim is or should be legal in all states.

                    Well, that is just a reading comprehension fail on your part. There is no threat to prosecute for performing the abortion.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/15/indiana-doc-abortion-10-year-old-ag-cease-and-desist-00046156


                      The doctor at the center of a firestorm over abortion rights sent a cease and desist letter to Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita on Friday demanding that he stop “making false and misleading statements” about her to the press.

                      An attorney for Caitlin Bernard — the OB-GYN who performed an abortion on a 10-year-old rape survivor from Ohio whose case grabbed national attention this week — told Rokita that his public threat to criminally prosecute her and his suggestion that she did not report the abortion to the proper state authorities “forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim.”
                      ...


                      Argue all you want that "abortion by a 10 year old rape victim" is or should be legal in all states. The reality is already there are elected Republican leaders very much reluctant to acknowledge the legality of letting a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion, and even after one is performed, already there is a state Attorney General publicly threatening to criminally prosecute a doctor for performing the abortion for a 10 year old rape victim that you all like to claim is or should be legal in all states.

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                      Jolly
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                      #263

                      @Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                      https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/15/indiana-doc-abortion-10-year-old-ag-cease-and-desist-00046156


                      The doctor at the center of a firestorm over abortion rights sent a cease and desist letter to Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita on Friday demanding that he stop “making false and misleading statements” about her to the press.

                      An attorney for Caitlin Bernard — the OB-GYN who performed an abortion on a 10-year-old rape survivor from Ohio whose case grabbed national attention this week — told Rokita that his public threat to criminally prosecute her and his suggestion that she did not report the abortion to the proper state authorities “forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim.”
                      ...


                      Argue all you want that "abortion by a 10 year old rape victim" is or should be legal in all states. The reality is already there are elected Republican leaders very much reluctant to acknowledge the legality of letting a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion, and even after one is performed, already there is a state Attorney General publicly threatening to criminally prosecute a doctor for performing the abortion for a 10 year old rape victim that you all like to claim is or should be legal in all states.

                      Uh, no.

                      Get your facts straight and get back to us.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        George K
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                        This is what democracy looks like, as Dobbs intended.

                        Kansas voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly struck down a proposed constitutional amendment that would remove language enshrining reproductive rights in their state, in a move widely seen as a victory for abortion rights activists.

                        The proposed amendment was the first time anywhere in the U.S. that voters cast ballots on abortion since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June.

                        A ballot question, known as the “Value Them Both Amendment,” asked voters to decide whether the state’s Constitution should continue to protect abortion rights. The proposed amendment to the state Constitution would have removed language that guarantees reproductive rights and asked voters if they prefer to put the issue of abortion in the hands of the state’s Republican-controlled legislature — an outcome that abortion advocates said was all but certain to result in the elimination or curtailment of those rights.

                        A “yes” vote on the measure would remove from the state Constitution the right to an abortion and hand the issue back to the state legislature. A “no” vote on the measure would make no changes, keeping abortion rights enshrined in the state Constitution.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
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                          #265

                          As it should be.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #266

                            Pretty much.

                            I think the abortion issue is going to cool off quite a bit by November.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              89th
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                              #267

                              The language in the Kansas amendment was a bit confusing IMO, so I could see folks voting no when they meant yes, and vice versa. Still, yes this is exactly what Dobbs was about.

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                                Mik
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                                Despite all the screeching, this court may in coming years be seen to have saved the Constitution from an overbearing federal government.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  #269

                                  And that's why you vote for Trump. At the end of the day, Presidents are ephemeral, Congress does not do its job and the SCOTUS is darn near forever.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    And that's why you vote for Trump. At the end of the day, Presidents are ephemeral, Congress does not do its job and the SCOTUS is darn near forever.

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                                    @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                    And that's why you vote for Trump. At the end of the day, Presidents are ephemeral, Congress does not do its job and the SCOTUS is darn near forever.

                                    Trump's legacy with the court is very much solidified, and appreciated by conservatives like me. It actually helps offset the many other things he did that I thought significantly degraded the expectations of the office. I don't mean that as a subtle jab, just in terms of how his legacy is balanced in my head.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #271

                                      The thing is any GOP President is going to select of the FedSoc list. You could have a sane candidate and still get the court picks.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        The thing is any GOP President is going to select of the FedSoc list. You could have a sane candidate and still get the court picks.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                        The thing is any GOP President is going to select of the FedSoc list. You could have a sane candidate and still get the court picks.

                                        Agreed that it would be better if candidates on both sides were better. It's sad that more people don't see things that way.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          The thing is any GOP President is going to select of the FedSoc list. You could have a sane candidate and still get the court picks.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          The thing is any GOP President is going to select of the FedSoc list. You could have a sane candidate and still get the court picks.

                                          No, I lived through the Bush years.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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