Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:43 last edited by@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
That’s all well and good, though I disagree with him (as I disagreed with Trump)… That’s not the point right now… Right now the point is what a piss poor job they did with planning this and how many lives they are costing by this abominable execution of the plan.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Secure for who though really? Our ability to evacuate our people or not secure for commercial flights?
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
Haven't seen it. Got a link?
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:52 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
Haven't seen it. Got a link?
They say they were hacked…
https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-embassy-india-sent-tweet-030153441.html -
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wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 07:07 last edited by
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 11:40 last edited by@axtremus said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
Seen on twitter.
"There are three ways wars end.
- You win
- You negotiate a peace
- You lose."
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wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 14:26 last edited by
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 16:57 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
But then half this country became obsessed with the "correct" pronoun to use, which bathroom a biological male could use, what statues to tear down, which stores to loot and burn and all the other bullshit they now find so compelling.
I haven't seen ANY protests or outcry's for what the women in Afghanistan now face. Where's METOO? Where's all the pussyhat nutjobs now?
Crickets...
Just a bunch of bullshit now. I've heard the flush. I see the water swirling in the bowl. Just waiting for it all to go down the drain. We're well on our way.
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What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
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What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 23:24 last edited by@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 00:21 last edited by@larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
Very Interesting.
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 11:51 last edited by@larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
As Quirt would undoubtedly say, if not spell, colour me skeptical.
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wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 12:08 last edited by
The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.
The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.
Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.
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The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.
The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.
Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 13:26 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.
The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.
Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.
I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.
The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.
Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.
I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 13:27 last edited by@89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.
It's freaking Congress!
That's what they do.
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@89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.
It's freaking Congress!
That's what they do.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 13:31 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.
It's freaking Congress!
That's what they do.
I never really appreciated how much of the job investigating has become. I have to believe it’s been written about it and it must have to do with the 2 year election cycle.
I think the House in particular is just a running for election treadmill. It’s aligned nicely with social media, always producing drama, click bait and alleged cliffhangers.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.
It's freaking Congress!
That's what they do.
I never really appreciated how much of the job investigating has become. I have to believe it’s been written about it and it must have to do with the 2 year election cycle.
I think the House in particular is just a running for election treadmill. It’s aligned nicely with social media, always producing drama, click bait and alleged cliffhangers.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 13:41 last edited by@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I think the House in particular is just a running for election treadmill. It’s aligned nicely with social media, always producing drama, click bait and alleged cliffhangers.
Plus you got to remember what 'doing an investigation' could mean. It probably means the Speaker and/or the Majority Leader appoints a committee . . . which meets once, maybe twice if one of the meetings is during lunch and includes Scotch . . . then the committee members are, I dunno, too busy or something . . . then six months go by and people stop asking about it . . . and the public's attention span being what it is, the
investigation fades into nothing, though it is forcefully claimed to be still ongoing.
