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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Mik

      Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

      But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

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      @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

      But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

      That’s all well and good, though I disagree with him (as I disagreed with Trump)… That’s not the point right now… Right now the point is what a piss poor job they did with planning this and how many lives they are costing by this abominable execution of the plan.

      The Brad

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        @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        Secure for who though really? Our ability to evacuate our people or not secure for commercial flights?

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        • George KG George K

          @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

          Haven't seen it. Got a link?

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          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

          Haven't seen it. Got a link?

          They say they were hacked…
          https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-embassy-india-sent-tweet-030153441.html

          The Brad

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          • George KG George K

            "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

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            @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

              Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

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                https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

                Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

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                @axtremus said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

                Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

                Seen on twitter.

                "There are three ways wars end.

                1. You win
                2. You negotiate a peace
                3. You lose."

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

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                    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

                    It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…

                    The Brad

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                      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                      McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

                      It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…

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                      @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                      We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…

                      But then half this country became obsessed with the "correct" pronoun to use, which bathroom a biological male could use, what statues to tear down, which stores to loot and burn and all the other bullshit they now find so compelling.

                      I haven't seen ANY protests or outcry's for what the women in Afghanistan now face. Where's METOO? Where's all the pussyhat nutjobs now?

                      Crickets...

                      Just a bunch of bullshit now. I've heard the flush. I see the water swirling in the bowl. Just waiting for it all to go down the drain. We're well on our way.

                      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                          What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

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                              What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

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                              @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                              The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

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                                @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

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                                @larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

                                Very Interesting.

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                                  @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                  The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

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                                  @larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                  The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

                                  As Quirt would undoubtedly say, if not spell, colour me skeptical.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028564790/u-s-is-reviewing-the-deaths-of-people-who-may-have-fallen-from-a-plane-leaving-k

                                    The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.

                                    The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.

                                    Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028564790/u-s-is-reviewing-the-deaths-of-people-who-may-have-fallen-from-a-plane-leaving-k

                                      The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.

                                      The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.

                                      Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.

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                                      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028564790/u-s-is-reviewing-the-deaths-of-people-who-may-have-fallen-from-a-plane-leaving-k

                                      The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.

                                      The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.

                                      Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.

                                      I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.

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                                        @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028564790/u-s-is-reviewing-the-deaths-of-people-who-may-have-fallen-from-a-plane-leaving-k

                                        The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.

                                        The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.

                                        Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.

                                        I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.

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                                        @89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.

                                        It's freaking Congress!

                                        That's what they do.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          @89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                          I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.

                                          It's freaking Congress!

                                          That's what they do.

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                                          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                          @89th said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                          I'm sorry, what's to investigate? Seems pretty clear what happened.

                                          It's freaking Congress!

                                          That's what they do.

                                          I never really appreciated how much of the job investigating has become. I have to believe it’s been written about it and it must have to do with the 2 year election cycle.

                                          I think the House in particular is just a running for election treadmill. It’s aligned nicely with social media, always producing drama, click bait and alleged cliffhangers.

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