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  • L Loki

    @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

    Probably winking and smiling.

    Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

    In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
    The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
    Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
    Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
    “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
    In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
    Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
    On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
    Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

    Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

    He has balls talking about slavery. Let’s see what happens to all the women in Afghanistan.

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    @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    He has balls talking about slavery.

    He's also got a bloody nerve complaining about English education. The guy went to Oxford.

    Of course, he playing to his audience, and it ain't us.

    I was only joking

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    • HoraceH Horace

      @xenon said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.

      The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.

      Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

      Every time a TDS sufferer considers criticizing Biden out loud, their mind fills with the specter of what the other tribe might choose in his place, and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

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      @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

      😆 😂 😆 Ok... that was a good one.

      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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      • ImprovisoI Improviso

        @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

        😆 😂 😆 Ok... that was a good one.

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        @improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

        😆 😂 😆 Ok... that was a good one.

        How the HELL did I miss that?

        Post of the week.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #118

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Mik

            Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

            But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

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            @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

            But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

            That’s all well and good, though I disagree with him (as I disagreed with Trump)… That’s not the point right now… Right now the point is what a piss poor job they did with planning this and how many lives they are costing by this abominable execution of the plan.

            The Brad

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              @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

              Secure for who though really? Our ability to evacuate our people or not secure for commercial flights?

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              • George KG George K

                @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                Haven't seen it. Got a link?

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                @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                Haven't seen it. Got a link?

                They say they were hacked…
                https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-embassy-india-sent-tweet-030153441.html

                The Brad

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                • George KG George K

                  "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

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                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

                    Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

                      Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

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                      @axtremus said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

                      Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

                      Seen on twitter.

                      "There are three ways wars end.

                      1. You win
                      2. You negotiate a peace
                      3. You lose."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

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                          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

                          It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            McCarthty: The debacle in Afghanistan belongs to Biden. But the previous president is an accomplice to this catastrophe.

                            It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…

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                            @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…

                            But then half this country became obsessed with the "correct" pronoun to use, which bathroom a biological male could use, what statues to tear down, which stores to loot and burn and all the other bullshit they now find so compelling.

                            I haven't seen ANY protests or outcry's for what the women in Afghanistan now face. Where's METOO? Where's all the pussyhat nutjobs now?

                            Crickets...

                            Just a bunch of bullshit now. I've heard the flush. I see the water swirling in the bowl. Just waiting for it all to go down the drain. We're well on our way.

                            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                              Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                                What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

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                                  • L Loki

                                    What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

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                                    @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                    What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                    The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

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                                    • LarryL Larry

                                      @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                      The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

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                                      @larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                      The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

                                      Very Interesting.

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                                      • LarryL Larry

                                        @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                        The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

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                                        @larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/talibans-abdul-ghani-baradar-is-undisputed-victor-of-a-20-year-war

                                        The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.

                                        As Quirt would undoubtedly say, if not spell, colour me skeptical.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028564790/u-s-is-reviewing-the-deaths-of-people-who-may-have-fallen-from-a-plane-leaving-k

                                          The U.S. Air Force says its Office of Special Investigations is reviewing an incident at the Kabul airport Monday in which multiple people were killed when hundreds of Afghan civilians desperate to leave the country swarmed a C-17 cargo plane as it was attempting to take off.

                                          The Air Force did not say how many people died. It said human remains were found in the plane's wheel well after it landed at al-Udeid Air Base in the Gulf state of Qatar.

                                          Videos of the incident, including images of people falling from the aircraft as it took off, were widely viewed on social media. The images captured the initial chaos of a U.S.-directed evacuation that followed the Taliban's takeover of the country.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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