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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #104

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

      Probably winking and smiling.

      Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

      In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
      The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
      Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
      Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
      “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
      In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
      Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
      On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
      Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

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      Horace
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      #105

      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.

      Maybe they should consult with American critical race theorists to guide them through this time. If they get it wrong, they will end up with a permanent victim class that'll end up becoming academics inventing nonsensical theories to explain the culture.

      Education is extremely important.

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        xenon
        wrote on last edited by
        #106

        Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.

        The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.

        Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

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        • X xenon

          Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.

          The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.

          Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

          HoraceH Online
          HoraceH Online
          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #107

          @xenon said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.

          The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.

          Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

          Every time a TDS sufferer considers criticizing Biden out loud, their mind fills with the specter of what the other tribe might choose in his place, and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • George KG George K

            @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

            Probably winking and smiling.

            Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

            In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
            The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
            Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
            Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
            “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
            In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
            Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
            On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
            Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #108

            @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

            Probably winking and smiling.

            Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

            In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
            The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
            Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
            Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
            “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
            In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
            Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
            On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
            Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

            Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

            The Brad

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            • Doctor PhibesD Online
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #109

              Imran Khan was a truly outstanding cricketer back when I used to care about that sort of thing, and it has to be said a pretty impressive playboy, but he's a complete douchebag as a Prime Minister.

              I was only joking

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

                Probably winking and smiling.

                Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

                In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
                The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
                Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
                Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
                “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
                In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
                Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
                On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
                Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

                Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #110

                @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                Haven't seen it. Got a link?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

                  Probably winking and smiling.

                  Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

                  In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
                  The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
                  Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
                  Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
                  “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
                  In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
                  Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
                  On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
                  Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

                  Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

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                  Loki
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #111

                  @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

                  Probably winking and smiling.

                  Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

                  In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
                  The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
                  Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
                  Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
                  “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
                  In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
                  Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
                  On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
                  Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

                  Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                  He has balls talking about slavery. Let’s see what happens to all the women in Afghanistan.

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    At least we are respected internationally again.

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #112

                    @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    At least we are respected internationally again.

                    Ziiinnngg!!!

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #113

                      Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

                      But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

                        But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

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                        #114

                        @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                        He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

                        Good points. Basically what Trump (and Obama) said. However, his message from last week, "YOYO" seemed pretty tone-deaf.

                        But, the execution is different from the policy. The execution here has been awful.

                        Secure your friend, secure your personnel and get the hell out.

                        This hasn't happened, afaict.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.

                          Probably winking and smiling.

                          Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'

                          In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
                          The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
                          Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
                          Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
                          “When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
                          In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
                          Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
                          On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
                          Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.

                          Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                          He has balls talking about slavery. Let’s see what happens to all the women in Afghanistan.

                          Doctor PhibesD Online
                          Doctor PhibesD Online
                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #115

                          @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          He has balls talking about slavery.

                          He's also got a bloody nerve complaining about English education. The guy went to Oxford.

                          Of course, he playing to his audience, and it ain't us.

                          I was only joking

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                            @xenon said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.

                            The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.

                            Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

                            Every time a TDS sufferer considers criticizing Biden out loud, their mind fills with the specter of what the other tribe might choose in his place, and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

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                            Improviso
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                            #116

                            @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

                            😆 😂 😆 Ok... that was a good one.

                            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                            • ImprovisoI Improviso

                              @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

                              😆 😂 😆 Ok... that was a good one.

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                              George K
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                              @improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.

                              😆 😂 😆 Ok... that was a good one.

                              How the HELL did I miss that?

                              Post of the week.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
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                                #118

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

                                  But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #119

                                  @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.

                                  But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.

                                  That’s all well and good, though I disagree with him (as I disagreed with Trump)… That’s not the point right now… Right now the point is what a piss poor job they did with planning this and how many lives they are costing by this abominable execution of the plan.

                                  The Brad

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                                    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                    Secure for who though really? Our ability to evacuate our people or not secure for commercial flights?

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                                      Haven't seen it. Got a link?

                                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #121

                                      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?

                                      Haven't seen it. Got a link?

                                      They say they were hacked…
                                      https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-embassy-india-sent-tweet-030153441.html

                                      The Brad

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

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                                        @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Axtremus
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                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/

                                          Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”

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