@George-K said in No Flat Faces:
Our first dog, Oscar, was a pug. We got him in, I think, 1982.
Good dog, overall, despite having "flat face" problems. His upper eyelids were displaced so that his lashes were rubbing against his corneas - he needed an upper blepharoplasty to fix that.
However, he never had the associated respiratory problems that one sees with the breed these days.
I couldn't find a good picture of him in profile, but this will give you a sense of his physiognomy.
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The current crop of pugs is a sad caricature of what Oscar was.
Pathetic, sad, and just wrong.
As, I believe, @LuFins-Dad said, German Shepherds have been ruined here in the states.
Get a mutt. They live longer, and have better temperaments.
German Shepherds and Golden Retrievers (as well as a number of other breeds).