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Jolly · wrote on 23 May 2021, 17:06

I can go to visit the Amish too for that matter and get their take on reality as they are not interested in progress in science over the last one hundred years. Not knowing how they think is an ignorance I can tolerate.

Let me ask you a few things...

What is the current data from VAERS? Is the vaccine totally safe?
Should the vaccine even be called a vaccine? It doesn't work the same as any previous vaccine. The COVID vaccine does not confer immunity. Period. You can and possibly will catch COVID after the shot(s). What is the prognosis for a healthy 12-40 year old person with a positive PCR test for COV-SARS-2?
What are the long term effects of the vaccine on the human genome? Does it affect pregnancies, specifically the developing fetus?
What is the argument for getting the vaccine after having COVID and does the vaccine provide any T-Cell memory as opposed to not getting the shot after having had COVID?

Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head. I can probably hammer in a dozen more, if you give me the time and a nice PubMed + LexisNexis access (I do miss having access to LSU's Med School Library )

Those are some of the arguments and questions I hear some of the common people talking about. Carpenters. School teachers. Insurance agents. Electricians. Nurses.

You know, morons.

BTW, the Amish aren't ignorant. They encourage their children to go Wilding, to see how the rest of society lives. Most of the kids come back. They prefer their highly specialized, but less complicated Amish life.

BTW, I did say specialized. I couldn't do it, and I know more than the rest of you on this board put together about how to live a rural, sustainable lifestyle without any modern conveniences, such as electricity. To prosper, you have to be pretty intelligent in things that really matter.

At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

Jolly · wrote on 23 May 2021, 17:08

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

On the one hand, we've got Donald Trump almost single-handedly producing a world-beating vaccine that billions of Americans have taken.

On the other, none of his supporters seem to want to take it.

Flippant, but not true. Look at the Red States, and who takes the vaccine and who doesn't.

BTW, some have suggested that vaccine numbers can be directly tied to paranoia about COVID.

LuFins Dad · wrote on 23 May 2021, 18:52

Have we flattened the curve yet?

LuFins Dad · 23 May 2021, 19:17

@Jolly let me ask a question... Will a Baccine Resistant strain be more likely to develop in an unvaccinated person where there’s less evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate, or in somebody that is a breakthrough case)

Renauda · 23 May 2021, 19:03

@jolly said in Trust Us:

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

Renauda · wrote on 23 May 2021, 19:03

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Jolly · 23 May 2021, 19:26

@renauda said in Trust Us:

@jolly said in Trust Us:

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

I'm sure it is. I hear a few assholes reside there, too.

Aqua Letifer · 23 May 2021, 19:19

@jolly said in Trust Us:

At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

I learned to drive on roads with regular horse-and-buggy traffic. For about 4 decades, my mother was a social worker in an area with a significant Amish and Mennonite population.

Please, do go on about their saintlike way of life. I'm listening.

Jolly · wrote on 23 May 2021, 19:17

@lufins-dad said in Trust Us:

@Jolly let me ask a question... Will a Baccine Resistant strain be more likely to develop in an unvaccinated person where there’s less evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate, or in somebody that is a breakthrough case)

As long as they can attack the host successfully, I would think they are less likely to mutate. Less likely, due to lack of antigenic shift right now, but viruses gotta virus and I don't see why we won't see an antigenic drift over time.

Now, once we get several mutations out there, the likelihood of shifts rather than drifts can arise, most likely from two different mutations infecting the body at the same time, causing some jumbling of the RNA.

And then, our vaccine may, or may not work.

BTW, all that stuff I just said and a dollar bill, will buy a small coffee at McDonald's...The dollar bill part is very important.

Jolly · 23 May 2021, 19:22

@aqua-letifer said in Trust Us:

@jolly said in Trust Us:

At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

I learned to drive on roads with regular horse-and-buggy traffic. For about 4 decades, my mother was a social worker in an area with a significant Amish and Mennonite population.

Please, do go on about their saintlike way of life. I'm listening.

I didn't say it was saintlike. I said it is complicated in many ways, because of the skills needed to live it successfully. I don't think you could be stupid and succeed.

Aqua Letifer · J Jolly 23 May 2021, 19:19

@jolly said in Trust Us:

I didn't say it was saintlike. I said it is complicated in many ways, because of the skills needed to live it successfully. I don't think you could be stupid and succeed.

You want any examples of Amish goodfornothings, junkies, spousal abusers or anything else, just let me know.

The Amish aren't special. They're people who live differently, but they're still people.

Renauda · J Jolly 23 May 2021, 19:07

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@renauda said in Trust Us:

@jolly said in Trust Us:

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

I'm sure it is. I hear a few assholes reside there, too.

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@renauda said in Trust Us:

@jolly said in Trust Us:

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

I'm sure it is. I hear a few assholes reside there, too.

And I'm equally sure you have. Like I said it's not a lot different from the Bible Belt and middle America with which you are familiar with and revere. Y'all feel right at home in around Caroline or Eckville, Alberta.

Jolly · wrote on 23 May 2021, 19:42

Oilpatch is oilpatch.

Renauda · wrote on 23 May 2021, 20:07

Actually more agriculture than oil patch, although many also work, or worked, oilpatch service jobs in the winter months.

Horace · 26 May 2021, 15:12

Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

Copper · H Horace 26 May 2021, 14:08

@horace said in Trust Us:

Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

He wants to kill people.

Mik · wrote on 26 May 2021, 15:22

I live in arguably the reddest county in Ohio. 48% of our residents were vaccinated as of three days ago.

Loki · 26 May 2021, 15:31

@horace said in Trust Us:

Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

Aqua Letifer · 26 May 2021, 15:37

@loki said in Trust Us:

@horace said in Trust Us:

Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

Depends on how shitty the people are who are asking, I'd guess. If I felt like the question was more like a pre-emptive attack I'd tell them to go to hell with their question, too.

And yes I still think those who are capable and should get vaccinated but still don't are fucking assholes.

Loki · wrote on 26 May 2021, 15:37

@aqua-letifer said in Trust Us:

@loki said in Trust Us:

@horace said in Trust Us:

Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

Depends on how shitty the people are who are asking, I'd guess. If I felt like the question was more like a pre-emptive attack I'd tell them to go to hell with their question, too.

And yes I still think those who are capable and should get vaccinated but still don't are fucking assholes.

Great point. That’s why the wokearati need to ask him and at least CNN surfaced it. Now CNN needs to follow up to be authentic.

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