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Jolly

I find a lot of this very interesting...See, I've been in a few places the last week or so, where COVID shots were being given for free, no waiting.

No waiting, indeed. There was no waiting, because people weren't taking them up on the offer.

That's a fact. Now, the question becomes why? Again, I think it helps to understand the thought process. Regardless of what you may think, these aren't all stupid people.

Loki

@jolly said in Trust Us:

Some people look at it more as another bite of government control, based on something that is not entirely proven and does have some pretty good side effects.

Now, these people don't trust the government a whole lot, anyway, but Fauci sending out conflicting messages and flat-out lying about some stuff has hardened attitudes.

This is their viewpoint.

You want them to get the vaccine? Persuade them. You're darn sure not going to beat them over the head and make themdo it.

I don’t really care anymore. Society has opened up and if they are not protected and die or pass on to some other unprotected person who dies that is on their conscience and they shouldn’t rely on government insurance to save them. Funny thing about hating government until you are suddenly panicked about your life.

But yeah I hate having to wear masks at airports and in planes because enough people won’t take shots. Let’s just stop that and let the chips fall as they may.

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Horace

@loki said in Trust Us:

But yeah I hate having to wear masks at airports and in planes because enough people won’t take shots. Let’s just stop that and let the chips fall as they may.

I suspect that those who don’t want the shot, have agreed with that sentiment from the get go. For better or worse, the degree to which a person is terrified of getting sick seems highly variable and individual.

Aqua Letifer

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+1. What a whining waste of time.

Rainman

I was at the Dr.'s office last week, and I asked the young lady that escorted me to the exam room, if she had had her shot.

She said no, rather sheepishly. I told her that if I were young, I would have second guesses about getting it, and then told her about my 10-days of hell.

She confided that yeah, she was worried about the long-term side effects, years down the road, and worried that when she wants to get pregnant, there could be an effect no one has been able to anticipate.

If I were her age, around 20 probably, I don't think I'd be too keen to jump out in front to get any of the shots. I trust science, maybe that's why I don't trust the media noise about what is or is not science.

Jolly

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

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Stay ignorant.

Some of y'all sit around and kvetch, because people aren't being vaccinated. Might want to try to figure out what they are thinking...

Doctor Phibes

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

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Stay ignorant.

Some of y'all sit around and kvetch, because people aren't being vaccinated. Might want to try to figure out what they are thinking...

Fuck the American Thinker. I'm sick of their shit.

You honestly think I'm the ignorant one here?

Horace

@loki said in Trust Us:

You can read that and get juiced up or take a shot and move on.

What reality do you choose for yourself?

I'm fond of the reality I experience after I take 10 shots or so.

Jolly

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@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

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Stay ignorant.

Some of y'all sit around and kvetch, because people aren't being vaccinated. Might want to try to figure out what they are thinking...

Fuck the American Thinker. I'm sick of their shit.

You honestly think I'm the ignorant one here?

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

Copper

Sadly true

Doctor Phibes

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

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Stay ignorant.

Some of y'all sit around and kvetch, because people aren't being vaccinated. Might want to try to figure out what they are thinking...

Fuck the American Thinker. I'm sick of their shit.

You honestly think I'm the ignorant one here?

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

And what better way to learn about Real America than to read The American Thinker, right?

Does it occur to you that you're every bit as ignorant of what life is actually like around here?

Jolly

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

And what better way to learn about Real America than to read The American Thinker, right?
Does it occur to you that you're every bit as ignorant of what life is actually like around here?

For you, yes. I think it would do you some good to understand why so many people in Fly-over Country vote conservative.

For life in your part of the world, I understand it. I just don't want to live it.

Mik

Maybe the issue is we don't know each other and our lives well enough. For instance I am not big on current progressive policies, but I will state that some of the most liberal cities I have been in have been really great places to live, Boston and Ann Arbor being the foremost ones that come to mind. That said, Indianapolis and the state of Indiana is very well run by primarily GOP. Ohio is a pretty well run state, also GOP. Cleveland and Cincinnati have made leaps and bounds in livability.

Maybe the thing to do is not label ideas by political affiliation and choose what works, discarding what doesn't.

Doctor Phibes

To be honest, when I travel I’m more taken by the similarities of different places and people than by the differences. And I’ve heard people here describe places that I’ve actually lived in (and they haven’t) in terms that are unrecognizable to my own experience.

You can’t really understand a place by reading about it online

Loki

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

@jolly said in Trust Us:

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

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Stay ignorant.

Some of y'all sit around and kvetch, because people aren't being vaccinated. Might want to try to figure out what they are thinking...

Fuck the American Thinker. I'm sick of their shit.

You honestly think I'm the ignorant one here?

Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

I can go to visit the Amish too for that matter and get their take on reality as they are not interested in progress in science over the last one hundred years. Not knowing how they think is an ignorance I can tolerate.

Doctor Phibes

On the one hand, we've got Donald Trump almost single-handedly producing a world-beating vaccine that billions of Americans have taken.

On the other, none of his supporters seem to want to take it.

Jolly

@loki said in Trust Us:

I can go to visit the Amish too for that matter and get their take on reality as they are not interested in progress in science over the last one hundred years. Not knowing how they think is an ignorance I can tolerate.

Let me ask you a few things...

What is the current data from VAERS? Is the vaccine totally safe?
Should the vaccine even be called a vaccine? It doesn't work the same as any previous vaccine. The COVID vaccine does not confer immunity. Period. You can and possibly will catch COVID after the shot(s). What is the prognosis for a healthy 12-40 year old person with a positive PCR test for COV-SARS-2?
What are the long term effects of the vaccine on the human genome? Does it affect pregnancies, specifically the developing fetus?
What is the argument for getting the vaccine after having COVID and does the vaccine provide any T-Cell memory as opposed to not getting the shot after having had COVID?

Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head. I can probably hammer in a dozen more, if you give me the time and a nice PubMed + LexisNexis access (I do miss having access to LSU's Med School Library )

Those are some of the arguments and questions I hear some of the common people talking about. Carpenters. School teachers. Insurance agents. Electricians. Nurses.

You know, morons.

BTW, the Amish aren't ignorant. They encourage their children to go Wilding, to see how the rest of society lives. Most of the kids come back. They prefer their highly specialized, but less complicated Amish life.

BTW, I did say specialized. I couldn't do it, and I know more than the rest of you on this board put together about how to live a rural, sustainable lifestyle without any modern conveniences, such as electricity. To prosper, you have to be pretty intelligent in things that really matter.

At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

Jolly

@doctor-phibes said in Trust Us:

On the one hand, we've got Donald Trump almost single-handedly producing a world-beating vaccine that billions of Americans have taken.

On the other, none of his supporters seem to want to take it.

Flippant, but not true. Look at the Red States, and who takes the vaccine and who doesn't.

BTW, some have suggested that vaccine numbers can be directly tied to paranoia about COVID.

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