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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @Jolly let me ask a question... Will a Baccine Resistant strain be more likely to develop in an unvaccinated person where there’s less evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate, or in somebody that is a breakthrough case)

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    @lufins-dad said in Trust Us:

    @Jolly let me ask a question... Will a Baccine Resistant strain be more likely to develop in an unvaccinated person where there’s less evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate, or in somebody that is a breakthrough case)

    As long as they can attack the host successfully, I would think they are less likely to mutate. Less likely, due to lack of antigenic shift right now, but viruses gotta virus and I don't see why we won't see an antigenic drift over time.

    Now, once we get several mutations out there, the likelihood of shifts rather than drifts can arise, most likely from two different mutations infecting the body at the same time, causing some jumbling of the RNA.

    And then, our vaccine may, or may not work.

    BTW, all that stuff I just said and a dollar bill, will buy a small coffee at McDonald's...The dollar bill part is very important.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @jolly said in Trust Us:

      At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

      I learned to drive on roads with regular horse-and-buggy traffic. For about 4 decades, my mother was a social worker in an area with a significant Amish and Mennonite population.

      Please, do go on about their saintlike way of life. I'm listening.

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      @aqua-letifer said in Trust Us:

      @jolly said in Trust Us:

      At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

      I learned to drive on roads with regular horse-and-buggy traffic. For about 4 decades, my mother was a social worker in an area with a significant Amish and Mennonite population.

      Please, do go on about their saintlike way of life. I'm listening.

      I didn't say it was saintlike. I said it is complicated in many ways, because of the skills needed to live it successfully. I don't think you could be stupid and succeed.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @aqua-letifer said in Trust Us:

        @jolly said in Trust Us:

        At times, I envy the Amish. Mennonites, too.

        I learned to drive on roads with regular horse-and-buggy traffic. For about 4 decades, my mother was a social worker in an area with a significant Amish and Mennonite population.

        Please, do go on about their saintlike way of life. I'm listening.

        I didn't say it was saintlike. I said it is complicated in many ways, because of the skills needed to live it successfully. I don't think you could be stupid and succeed.

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        Aqua Letifer
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        @jolly said in Trust Us:

        I didn't say it was saintlike. I said it is complicated in many ways, because of the skills needed to live it successfully. I don't think you could be stupid and succeed.

        You want any examples of Amish goodfornothings, junkies, spousal abusers or anything else, just let me know.

        The Amish aren't special. They're people who live differently, but they're still people.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @renauda said in Trust Us:

          @jolly said in Trust Us:

          Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

          As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

          I'm sure it is. I hear a few assholes reside there, too.

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          Renauda
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          @jolly said in Trust Us:

          @renauda said in Trust Us:

          @jolly said in Trust Us:

          Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

          As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

          I'm sure it is. I hear a few assholes reside there, too.

          @jolly said in Trust Us:

          @renauda said in Trust Us:

          @jolly said in Trust Us:

          Plop your ass down in middle America or in the Bible Belt, and yes, you're ignorant as dirt.

          As a matter of fact, I live on the edge of the Bible Belt of this country. It's not a lot different from what you call middle America. It is populated by a lot of ignorant social conservative and intolerant libertarians of convenience. Ignoramuses for the most part.

          I'm sure it is. I hear a few assholes reside there, too.

          And I'm equally sure you have. Like I said it's not a lot different from the Bible Belt and middle America with which you are familiar with and revere. Y'all feel right at home in around Caroline or Eckville, Alberta.

          Elbows up!

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            Oilpatch is oilpatch.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Actually more agriculture than oil patch, although many also work, or worked, oilpatch service jobs in the winter months.

              Elbows up!

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                Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                  https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

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                  @horace said in Trust Us:

                  Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                  He wants to kill people.

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                  • MikM Away
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                    I live in arguably the reddest county in Ohio. 48% of our residents were vaccinated as of three days ago.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                      https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

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                      @horace said in Trust Us:

                      Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                      https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

                      How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

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                      • L Loki

                        @horace said in Trust Us:

                        Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                        https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

                        How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

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                        Aqua Letifer
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                        @loki said in Trust Us:

                        @horace said in Trust Us:

                        Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                        https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

                        How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

                        Depends on how shitty the people are who are asking, I'd guess. If I felt like the question was more like a pre-emptive attack I'd tell them to go to hell with their question, too.

                        And yes I still think those who are capable and should get vaccinated but still don't are fucking assholes.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @loki said in Trust Us:

                          @horace said in Trust Us:

                          Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                          https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

                          How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

                          Depends on how shitty the people are who are asking, I'd guess. If I felt like the question was more like a pre-emptive attack I'd tell them to go to hell with their question, too.

                          And yes I still think those who are capable and should get vaccinated but still don't are fucking assholes.

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                          Loki
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                          @aqua-letifer said in Trust Us:

                          @loki said in Trust Us:

                          @horace said in Trust Us:

                          Known Republican Lebron James doesn't want to say whether he's vaccinated.

                          https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2021/05/24/lebron-james-coronavirus-vaccine-nr-vpx.cnn

                          How can you be woke and a social justice leader and refuse to say? I’d love to hear that argument.

                          Depends on how shitty the people are who are asking, I'd guess. If I felt like the question was more like a pre-emptive attack I'd tell them to go to hell with their question, too.

                          And yes I still think those who are capable and should get vaccinated but still don't are fucking assholes.

                          Great point. That’s why the wokearati need to ask him and at least CNN surfaced it. Now CNN needs to follow up to be authentic.

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                            I think Mr. James can do whatever he wants about the vaccine.

                            And I feel no desire to insult him if he chooses not to get it.

                            I don't care at all about his reasons or lack of reasons.

                            This is an essential quality of living free. I hope Mr. James never loses it.

                            And aside from the question of freedom, I think the possibility of him hurting any innocents by not getting the vaccine is so small as to be meaningless.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              I think Mr. James can do whatever he wants about the vaccine.

                              And I feel no desire to insult him if he chooses not to get it.

                              I don't care at all about his reasons or lack of reasons.

                              This is an essential quality of living free. I hope Mr. James never loses it.

                              And aside from the question of freedom, I think the possibility of him hurting any innocents by not getting the vaccine is so small as to be meaningless.

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                              Loki
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                              @copper said in Trust Us:

                              I think Mr. James can do whatever he wants about the vaccine.

                              And I feel no desire to insult him if he chooses not to get it.

                              I don't care at all about his reasons or lack of reasons.

                              This is an essential quality of living free. I hope Mr. James never loses it.

                              And aside from the question of freedom, I think the possibility of him hurting any innocents by not getting the vaccine is so small as to be meaningless.

                              What is the role of public health in your view? Let’s say the pandemic hit the young and otherwise healthy are we all free to make our own decisions?

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                                @copper said in Trust Us:

                                I think Mr. James can do whatever he wants about the vaccine.

                                And I feel no desire to insult him if he chooses not to get it.

                                I don't care at all about his reasons or lack of reasons.

                                This is an essential quality of living free. I hope Mr. James never loses it.

                                And aside from the question of freedom, I think the possibility of him hurting any innocents by not getting the vaccine is so small as to be meaningless.

                                What is the role of public health in your view? Let’s say the pandemic hit the young and otherwise healthy are we all free to make our own decisions?

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                                Copper
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                                #43

                                @loki said in Trust Us:

                                What is the role of public health in your view?

                                The role of public health is to be a lot more competent than they have been during this covid business.

                                Sadly the governments' health departments after a year are still trying to understand the scope of the problem. This is something they should have done within days. I guess you can attribute that to the fact that something like this hasn't happened since a long time ago.

                                Again, sadly, this incompetence makes individual freedom even more important.

                                I am still waiting to hear exactly what is the criteria for implementing various restrictions, and then the exact criteria for removing the restrictions. At the moment the criteria is the whims of the president and 50 governors.

                                It's too late to establish this criteria for covid-19, I hope they are working on the next one.

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                                  @copper said in Trust Us:

                                  I think Mr. James can do whatever he wants about the vaccine.

                                  And I feel no desire to insult him if he chooses not to get it.

                                  I don't care at all about his reasons or lack of reasons.

                                  This is an essential quality of living free. I hope Mr. James never loses it.

                                  And aside from the question of freedom, I think the possibility of him hurting any innocents by not getting the vaccine is so small as to be meaningless.

                                  What is the role of public health in your view? Let’s say the pandemic hit the young and otherwise healthy are we all free to make our own decisions?

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                                    Orville flew, Wilber too

                                    Santa flew, chimney flue

                                    Wu flu grew too

                                    Who knew, too few

                                    ?

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                                      👏 👍

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                                        Deleting the first line of that work is book burning.

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          @loki said in Trust Us:

                                          What is the role of public health in your view?

                                          The role of public health is to be a lot more competent than they have been during this covid business.

                                          Sadly the governments' health departments after a year are still trying to understand the scope of the problem. This is something they should have done within days. I guess you can attribute that to the fact that something like this hasn't happened since a long time ago.

                                          Again, sadly, this incompetence makes individual freedom even more important.

                                          I am still waiting to hear exactly what is the criteria for implementing various restrictions, and then the exact criteria for removing the restrictions. At the moment the criteria is the whims of the president and 50 governors.

                                          It's too late to establish this criteria for covid-19, I hope they are working on the next one.

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                                          Loki
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                                          @copper said in Trust Us:

                                          @loki said in Trust Us:

                                          What is the role of public health in your view?

                                          The role of public health is to be a lot more competent than they have been during this covid business.

                                          Sadly the governments' health departments after a year are still trying to understand the scope of the problem. This is something they should have done within days. I guess you can attribute that to the fact that something like this hasn't happened since a long time ago.

                                          Again, sadly, this incompetence makes individual freedom even more important.

                                          I am still waiting to hear exactly what is the criteria for implementing various restrictions, and then the exact criteria for removing the restrictions. At the moment the criteria is the whims of the president and 50 governors.

                                          It's too late to establish this criteria for covid-19, I hope they are working on the next one.

                                          It’s a great point. Prime example, CDC says if you are fully vaccinated and you come into contact with a covid patient there is no need to test unless you get symptoms. Several counties within states say you have to test and quarantine for 10 days!

                                          So the health boards within states get to make their own rules and the CDC is hand cuffed. Of course In debating that issue you get into states rights vs central government so not easy answer.

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