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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
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    He might get the nom but I think he’s unelectable.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      New poll: https://news.yahoo.com/poll-desantis-leads-trump-for-2024-gop-nod--but-not-if-haley-and-others-split-the-vote-175359642.html

      The pill says DeSantis lead Trump, but Trump will win the nomination if there is just one additional candidate entering the field and splitting the vote.

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        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/18/michigan-gop-chair-karamo-trump/

        LANSING, Mich. — Republicans here, reeling from a midterm election rout that many blamed on the influence of former president Donald Trump, responded Saturday by spurning the former president’s choice for state party chair — and choosing someone even more extreme.

        Kristina Karamo, who refused to concede her 14-point loss for secretary of state in 2022, beat former attorney general candidate Matt DePerno, who had Trump’s endorsement, in three rounds of contentious voting. The chaotic 11-hour convention, featuring a rowdy standoff over voting procedures and 10 candidates who all ran under a pro-Trump banner, left no doubt that the bulk of the party’s activists in this key battleground state remain firmly committed to election denial and showed no interest in moderating their message to appeal to the political center.

        “Conceding to a fraudulent person is agreeing with the fraud, which I will not do,” Karamo said to cheers in her campaign speech on Saturday.
        …

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          https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/party-tells-former-rnc-chair-s-no-longer-republican-rcna71559

          The Montana GOP kicked a former RNC Chair and former two-term Governor out of the Republican Party.

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            https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/rnc-debate-young-americas-foundation-rcna79574

            The RNC announced the GOP primary debate schedule, and immediately MAGA-land cries foul, claiming the RNC is stacking the deck against Trump.

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              @George-K Interesting article.

              One of the things in the headline and I think that @jolly has brought up when talking about what is believed to be positives for Presdient Trump is the # of judges done by him.

              It is interesting that President Biden has actually appointed MORE judges than President Trump at equal times of their president cycle

              "President Joe Biden is outpacing his predecessor in the number of federal judge appointees installed during his tenure.

              As of Sept. 20, Biden had notched 83 federal judges confirmed by the Senate. At this point in his presidency, Donald Trump had 69 appointees confirmed, according to NBC News. If continued at this pace, Biden is on track to beat Trump's historic number of appointees."

              That could obvisouly slow down if the Republicans win the Senate.

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              @taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

              @George-K Interesting article.

              One of the things in the headline and I think that @jolly has brought up when talking about what is believed to be positives for Presdient Trump is the # of judges done by him.

              It is interesting that President Biden has actually appointed MORE judges than President Trump at equal times of their president cycle

              "President Joe Biden is outpacing his predecessor in the number of federal judge appointees installed during his tenure.

              As of Sept. 20, Biden had notched 83 federal judges confirmed by the Senate. At this point in his presidency, Donald Trump had 69 appointees confirmed, according to NBC News. If continued at this pace, Biden is on track to beat Trump's historic number of appointees."

              That could obvisouly slow down if the Republicans win the Senate.

              There's a reason for that, but that's another thread.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/21/trump-values-voter-wing-gop-00093175

                The headline is:
                Trump killed the ‘values voter’ wing of the GOP. It isn’t coming back in 2024.
                On the eve of a Christian cattle call in Iowa, the two 2024 contenders who talk the most about their faith aren’t gaining traction.

                Largely by the 'values voters' they are talking about the Evangelicals. The gist of it is that, since Trump came along, the Evangelicals care less about the candidate's faith and more about the candidate fighting their cultural wars.

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                  Former Attorney General Barr

                  https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3990804-barr-trump-will-deliver-chaos-and-horror-show/

                  “If you believe in his policies, what he’s advertising as his policies, he’s the last person who could actually execute them and achieve them,” Barr said of Trump at an event in Cleveland. “He does not have the discipline.”

                  When pressed further, Barr claimed his former boss doesn’t have “the ability for strategic thinking” or “setting priorities.”

                  “It is a horror show when he’s left to his own devices,” Barr said. “And so, you may want his policies, but Trump will not deliver Trump policies.”

                  “He will deliver chaos and, if anything, lead to a backlash that will set his policies much further back than they otherwise would be,” he added.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Former Attorney General Barr

                    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3990804-barr-trump-will-deliver-chaos-and-horror-show/

                    “If you believe in his policies, what he’s advertising as his policies, he’s the last person who could actually execute them and achieve them,” Barr said of Trump at an event in Cleveland. “He does not have the discipline.”

                    When pressed further, Barr claimed his former boss doesn’t have “the ability for strategic thinking” or “setting priorities.”

                    “It is a horror show when he’s left to his own devices,” Barr said. “And so, you may want his policies, but Trump will not deliver Trump policies.”

                    “He will deliver chaos and, if anything, lead to a backlash that will set his policies much further back than they otherwise would be,” he added.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @taiwan_girl

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                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Also Barr:

                      “Who did I want determining the direction of the Supreme Court for years to come: Trump or Hillary Clinton? The question was not close. On this basis alone, I would crawl over broken glass to the polls to vote for Trump.

                      Once Trump won the nomination, the media, after fawning over him during the primaries, suddenly discovered his character flaws, which they now suggested made him unfit for office. I did not know enough about him to make firm judgments about all aspects of his character, but I did not see anything at the time I felt disqualifying. The country should aspire to elect leaders of high moral character, to be sure. But the significance of a candidate’s moral strengths and weaknesses has to be judged in relation to all the other attributes that person would bring to the office in the context of the time in which he’s running—together with his policy views and leadership skills. In our age, the electorate seems to put less stock in character, as I learned sadly when it replaced George H. W. Bush with Bill Clinton. Many of our past leaders, including some idolized by the Left even today, are known to have had deep moral failings. Trump certainly had his share of them.

                      One important point, though, was that those failings were not as hidden as they usually are in political leaders. In Trump’s case, the failings were close to the surface—mostly on full display. Trump was not as much two-faced as full-on frontal: what you saw is pretty much what you got. Many people have attributed his flaws to a deep narcissism. This would not surprise me—it is a common malady in our age, especially among celebrities, political and otherwise.”

                      Excerpt From
                      One Damn Thing After Another
                      William P. Barr

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #348

                        https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

                        Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

                          Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

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                          @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                          https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

                          Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

                          Trump's views on Ukraine are very disappointing, but not exactly surprising. I guess he's stopped trying to be like Churchill and decided to emulate his predecessors instead.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                            https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

                            Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

                            Trump's views on Ukraine are very disappointing, but not exactly surprising. I guess he's stopped trying to be like Churchill and decided to emulate his predecessors instead.

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                            #350

                            @Doctor-Phibes

                            But Trump says he knows both Zelensky and Putin.

                            Bar none, Trump is beyond any doubt, the self appointed and declared Winston Wolf of the world’s political scene:

                            Link to video

                            Elbows up!

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                              Most of this thread could have been written 8 years ago.

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                                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

                                Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

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                                  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

                                  Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

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                                  @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                                  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

                                  Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

                                  Appears that those in charge may be secretly Democrats, and know that the best chance for the Democrats to win the president in 2024 is to have Pres. Trump be the nominee.

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                                    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/18/chris-christie-republican-loyalty-oath-trump-00102536

                                    The GOP's loyalty oath, the pledge by the candidates to support the eventual nominee, the message seems to be "because Trump broke it the last time, we're not going to take it seriously this time."

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                                      https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/06-27-2023/is-he-the-strongest/

                                      House Speaker Kevin McCarthy openly questions whether Trump would be the "strongest candidate" the GOP can field.

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                                        https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/07/kevin-mccarthy-endorsement-trump-00105001?cid=apn

                                        McCarthy declines to endorse Trump — looking to avoid a GOP civil war
                                        The peace might be short-lived, but the speaker's members understand why he's not offering a formal endorsement to Donald Trump.
                                        ...

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                                          Sen Cassidy of Louisiana

                                          " ‘I might have to write’ a Republican in if Trump is GOP’s 2024 nominee"

                                          Link to video

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