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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #347

    Also Barr:

    “Who did I want determining the direction of the Supreme Court for years to come: Trump or Hillary Clinton? The question was not close. On this basis alone, I would crawl over broken glass to the polls to vote for Trump.

    Once Trump won the nomination, the media, after fawning over him during the primaries, suddenly discovered his character flaws, which they now suggested made him unfit for office. I did not know enough about him to make firm judgments about all aspects of his character, but I did not see anything at the time I felt disqualifying. The country should aspire to elect leaders of high moral character, to be sure. But the significance of a candidate’s moral strengths and weaknesses has to be judged in relation to all the other attributes that person would bring to the office in the context of the time in which he’s running—together with his policy views and leadership skills. In our age, the electorate seems to put less stock in character, as I learned sadly when it replaced George H. W. Bush with Bill Clinton. Many of our past leaders, including some idolized by the Left even today, are known to have had deep moral failings. Trump certainly had his share of them.

    One important point, though, was that those failings were not as hidden as they usually are in political leaders. In Trump’s case, the failings were close to the surface—mostly on full display. Trump was not as much two-faced as full-on frontal: what you saw is pretty much what you got. Many people have attributed his flaws to a deep narcissism. This would not surprise me—it is a common malady in our age, especially among celebrities, political and otherwise.”

    Excerpt From
    One Damn Thing After Another
    William P. Barr

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      #348

      https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

      Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

        Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

        Doctor PhibesD Online
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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #349

        @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

        Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

        Trump's views on Ukraine are very disappointing, but not exactly surprising. I guess he's stopped trying to be like Churchill and decided to emulate his predecessors instead.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

          https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/christie-trump-cnn-putin-00096393

          Chris Christie calls Trump a 'coward' and a 'puppet of Putin' after CNN town hall.

          Trump's views on Ukraine are very disappointing, but not exactly surprising. I guess he's stopped trying to be like Churchill and decided to emulate his predecessors instead.

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #350

          @Doctor-Phibes

          But Trump says he knows both Zelensky and Putin.

          Bar none, Trump is beyond any doubt, the self appointed and declared Winston Wolf of the world’s political scene:

          Link to video

          Elbows up!

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            #351

            Most of this thread could have been written 8 years ago.

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
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              #352

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

              Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

                Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

                taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
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                #353

                @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

                Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

                Appears that those in charge may be secretly Democrats, and know that the best chance for the Democrats to win the president in 2024 is to have Pres. Trump be the nominee.

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                • AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
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                  #354

                  https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/18/chris-christie-republican-loyalty-oath-trump-00102536

                  The GOP's loyalty oath, the pledge by the candidates to support the eventual nominee, the message seems to be "because Trump broke it the last time, we're not going to take it seriously this time."

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                    Axtremus
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                    #355

                    https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/06-27-2023/is-he-the-strongest/

                    House Speaker Kevin McCarthy openly questions whether Trump would be the "strongest candidate" the GOP can field.

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                      Axtremus
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                      #356

                      https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/07/kevin-mccarthy-endorsement-trump-00105001?cid=apn

                      McCarthy declines to endorse Trump — looking to avoid a GOP civil war
                      The peace might be short-lived, but the speaker's members understand why he's not offering a formal endorsement to Donald Trump.
                      ...

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        #357

                        Sen Cassidy of Louisiana

                        " ‘I might have to write’ a Republican in if Trump is GOP’s 2024 nominee"

                        Link to video

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          Bullshit.

                          I get the feeling this will be Bill's last round in Washington.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-breaks-mccarthy-republicans-government-shutdown-rcna117192

                            Trump is working against the Republican Speaker of the House by calling for a government shutdown:

                            “The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

                            And Trump keeps insulting the Senate Republican leader:

                            “It’s time Republicans learned how to fight!” Trump wrote. “Are you listening Mitch McConnell, the weakest, dumbest, and most conflicted 'Leader' in U.S. Senate history?”

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                              https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-breaks-mccarthy-republicans-government-shutdown-rcna117192

                              Trump is working against the Republican Speaker of the House by calling for a government shutdown:

                              “The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

                              And Trump keeps insulting the Senate Republican leader:

                              “It’s time Republicans learned how to fight!” Trump wrote. “Are you listening Mitch McConnell, the weakest, dumbest, and most conflicted 'Leader' in U.S. Senate history?”

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                              taiwan_girl
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                              @Axtremus Has that hurt President Trump previously? He insults people, insults their wives, parents, belittle them, belittle their work, etc etc, and yet most of the Republicans dont have the spine to stand up to him.

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                                #361

                                https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/former-speaker-paul-ryan-republicans-lose-donald-trump-103514088

                                Former House Speaker Paul Ryan said Tuesday that Republicans will lose the presidential election if Donald Trump is the nominee

                                Ryan said in the small number of swing states, including Wisconsin, the election will come down to winning over suburban voters.
                                “Do you think those suburban voters like Donald Trump more since Jan. 6?" Ryan said. "I mean, good grief. They didn’t vote for him this last time, they’re not going to vote for him again.”

                                Kind of my thinking. The middle voters are the ones that are going to decide the election. They didn't vote for President Trump last time, and I don't think he has done anything to change their mind so far.

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                                  https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/18/gop-party-house-speaker-00122371

                                  Paul Ryan on why the GOP cannot unite, with Trump in the middle of it.

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #363

                                    Makes sense and is pretty obvious.

                                    “This is a political-leaning conference right now, not a policy-leaning conference,” Ryan told me. Which makes sense, he added, because “our party is a populist-leaning party right now, not a policy-leaning party.”

                                    For sure, President Trump is a populist and is very good about reading the people and goes which way the wind is blowing.

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                                      Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump

                                      https://thehill.com/homenews/4280503-bill-barr-knocks-trump-for-having-verbal-skills-that-are-limited/

                                      “His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

                                      Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
                                      “If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.

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                                        Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump

                                        https://thehill.com/homenews/4280503-bill-barr-knocks-trump-for-having-verbal-skills-that-are-limited/

                                        “His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

                                        Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
                                        “If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                                        Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump

                                        https://thehill.com/homenews/4280503-bill-barr-knocks-trump-for-having-verbal-skills-that-are-limited/

                                        “His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

                                        Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
                                        “If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.

                                        And President Trump's response. Please please explain to me why so many people think that he is the best person to be President, which includes acting rationally and responsibly under pressure.

                                        “I called Bill Barr Dumb, Weak, Slow Moving, Lethargic, Gutless, and Lazy, a RINO WHO COULDN’T DO THE JOB,” he wrote, using the term meaning “Republican in Name Only.” “He just didn’t want to be Impeached, which the Radical Left Lunatics were preparing to do.”

                                        “I was tough on him in the White House, for good reason, so now this Moron says about me, to get even, ‘his verbal skills are limited,’” the former president continued. “Well, that’s one I haven’t heard before. Tell that to the biggest political crowds in the history of politics, by far. Bill Barr is a LOSER!”

                                        https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4283140-trump-rips-barr-limited-verbal-skills/

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                                          https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lindsey-graham-delivers-his-most-painfully-clueless-defence-of-trump-yet_uk_6541f9a9e4b032ae1c9d5060

                                          Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made the bold claim on Tuesday that the world would be safer and more peaceful if Donald Trump were still president.

                                          “I believe if Trump were president, none of this would be going on,” he said Tuesday night on CNN. “If he were president of the United States, Hamas would not have attacked Israel, I really believe that, Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine because they’re afraid of the guy.”

                                          Graham’s claim flies in the face of comments from Trump himself, who recently bragged of making U.S. loyalty to allies in times of military crisis contingent upon those countries forking out extra cash for that protection.

                                          During an event in Iowa on Sunday, Trump recalled telling world leaders that their countries need to pay more for protection... or else.

                                          “The head of a country stood up, said, ‘Does that mean if Russia attacks my country, you will not be there?’” Trump said. “That’s right, that’s what it means. I will not protect you.”

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