Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
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Michigan Senator Mike Shirkey Thinks Capitol Riot Was 'Staged,' Mitch McConnell Was 'Part of It'
Shirkey's comments were recorded in a video that was posted on YouTube after he met with members of the Hillsdale County Republican Party. The local GOP group later voted to censure him for not supporting former President Donald Trump enough and for failing to stand up to Governor Gretchen Whitmer with regard to the Second Amendment and COVID-19 restrictions.
The conversation began as a meeting about his upcoming censure but turned attention to the Capitol riot. When asked "What about the D.C. thing?" Shirkey called it a "hoax from day one."
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——Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey claims that the Jan.6 Capitol riot was a hoax, accused McConnell for being in on the hoax, then he got censured by the Hillsdale County GOP for not supporting Trump enough.
What are these people thinking?
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Shirkey called it a "hoax from day one."
——I think we can all agree that the coverage of the event meant to present a hoax.
A few doofusses taking selfies were not going to overthrow anything.
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.
If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."
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@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.
If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.
If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."
So I spent some time and see that he apologized for calling the riot a hoax as well as being staged and what he said about McConnell. And the censure had about 15 points in it of which the stuff you highlighted was two or three. I had to get all that by piecing together several articles. Do you concur with what I just said as it seems relevant to the entire picture.
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.
If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."
So I spent some time and see that he apologized for calling the riot a hoax as well as being staged and what he said about McConnell. And the censure had about 15 points in it of which the stuff you highlighted was two or three. I had to get all that by piecing together several articles. Do you concur with what I just said as it seems relevant to the entire picture.
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.
Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.
I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.
So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?
I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.
If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."
So I spent some time and see that he apologized for calling the riot a hoax as well as being staged and what he said about McConnell. And the censure had about 15 points in it of which the stuff you highlighted was two or three. I had to get all that by piecing together several articles. Do you concur with what I just said as it seems relevant to the entire picture.
Thanks for doing the legwork.
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@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.
All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.
@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.
All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.
It was that simple.
You bet.
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@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.
All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.
It was that simple.
You bet.
@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.
All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.
It was that simple.
You bet.
Sure, I do. I know if there was more security, the "coup attempt" would have less rhetorical value. And even with no security, the "coup attempt" was a complete joke. I don't think furry horn guy thought he was taking over the country. He was taking selfies.
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Makes you think there were Republicans that didn't want to vote for him. I'll bet Mr Reynolds knows some! Probably has pet names for them like 'RINO' and "NeverTrumper'.
@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Makes you think there were Republicans that didn't want to vote for him. I'll bet Mr Reynolds knows some! Probably has pet names for them like 'RINO' and "NeverTrumper'.
Probably also knows some dead Democrats that didn't vote for him, either.
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I don't recall ever saying it was a coup attempt.
They were a fine bunch of patriots and libertarians out for a stroll in the park and promenade in front of the Capitol.
Like I wrote, a mere trifle.
@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
I don't recall ever saying it was a coup attempt.
They were a fine bunch of patriots and libertarians out for a stroll in the park and promenade in front of the Capitol.
Like I wrote, a mere trifle.
Some people here have called it a coup attempt, not to mention the MSM. I'm sorry if I got you conflated with them.
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@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
I don't recall ever saying it was a coup attempt.
They were a fine bunch of patriots and libertarians out for a stroll in the park and promenade in front of the Capitol.
Like I wrote, a mere trifle.
Some people here have called it a coup attempt, not to mention the MSM. I'm sorry if I got you conflated with them.
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(Reuters) - Dozens of former Republican officials, who view the party as unwilling to stand up to former President Donald Trump and his attempts to undermine U.S. democracy, are in talks to form a center-right breakaway party, four people involved in the discussions told Reuters.
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The early stage discussions include former elected Republicans, former officials in the Republican administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump, ex-Republican ambassadors and Republican strategists, the people involved say.More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of “principled conservatism,” including adherence to the Constitution and the rule of law - ideas those involved say have been trashed by Trump.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/17/trump-blew-up-gop-469155
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The Birthplace of the Republican Party Buckles After Trump Nearly Blew Up the GOP
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Over the following weeks, the party schism that opened over Trump’s election claims would grow only wider. Republicans would lose the Senate majority in the Georgia runoff elections and Trump would be impeached for the second time. Handfuls of establishment-minded Republicans, including a smattering of House and Senate members supportive of impeachment, became more forceful in their criticism of Trump’s behavior. Some major corporate donors disengaged, and thousands of disaffected Republican voters fled the party. But instead of backing away from Trump, in local and state party committees across the country, Bishop’s counterparts would begin reprimanding Republican lawmakers who crossed him.By late January, that schism between the party’s traditionalists and its activist base had become the party’s preoccupying crisis of the post-Trump era. Even in defeat it was obvious Trump wasn’t going anywhere. Between the governing and populist classes of the GOP, said Whit Ayres, the longtime Republican pollster, it’s an open question “whether the party remains an uneasy alliance between the two factions or splits apart.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/17/trump-blew-up-gop-469155
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The Birthplace of the Republican Party Buckles After Trump Nearly Blew Up the GOP
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Over the following weeks, the party schism that opened over Trump’s election claims would grow only wider. Republicans would lose the Senate majority in the Georgia runoff elections and Trump would be impeached for the second time. Handfuls of establishment-minded Republicans, including a smattering of House and Senate members supportive of impeachment, became more forceful in their criticism of Trump’s behavior. Some major corporate donors disengaged, and thousands of disaffected Republican voters fled the party. But instead of backing away from Trump, in local and state party committees across the country, Bishop’s counterparts would begin reprimanding Republican lawmakers who crossed him.By late January, that schism between the party’s traditionalists and its activist base had become the party’s preoccupying crisis of the post-Trump era. Even in defeat it was obvious Trump wasn’t going anywhere. Between the governing and populist classes of the GOP, said Whit Ayres, the longtime Republican pollster, it’s an open question “whether the party remains an uneasy alliance between the two factions or splits apart.
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— — — —@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/17/trump-blew-up-gop-469155
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The Birthplace of the Republican Party Buckles After Trump Nearly Blew Up the GOP
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I assume this is a reference to the bombs that Mr. Trump carries with him at all times
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Trump-McConnell clash threatens to settle into a cold war ...
Were it up to former president Donald Trump, Republicans would spend the next two years purging their ranks and reshaping themselves in his own image — a process he moved to jump-start Tuesday with a searing attack on the party’s most powerful elected leader, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
McConnell (R-Ky.) has other ideas. Having held Trump responsible for both the loss of his Senate majority in the Jan. 5 Georgia runoffs and the deadly attack on the Capitol a day later, he has moved to chart a different path — one that steers clear of the former president’s personal grievances and conspiratorial rhetoric to put the GOP back in power as soon as possible.
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What many operatives fear, however, is that Trump becomes guided by his personal grievances as the midterm elections approach — perhaps by endorsing far-right GOP candidates in swing-state Senate races, clearing the way for Democratic victories.
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Graham called McConnell “indispensable to Donald Trump’s success” Tuesday, citing his work to secure a massive tax cut in 2017 and confirm three Supreme Court justices.
“But what I would say to Senator McConnell: I know Trump can be a handful, but he is the most dominant figure in the Republican Party,” he said. “We don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of taking back the majority without Donald Trump. If you don’t get that, you’re just not looking.” -
Not a surprise - but I think Trump gets way too much cover by Republicans.
I get the opinion that he was much better than Hillary on policy in 2016. I also get that he makes people feel good with his culture war rhetoric (put liberals in their place a bit).
But on policy and achievements he was vanilla. A Paul Ryan styled tax cut, criminal justice reform, curbing some regulation growth (still net adder to federal regulations)... that's about it.
But he gets so much forgiven in terms of his buffoonery.
Is there really on one better for the Republican party?
Seriously - woudn't anyone here rather have the 2016 runner ups as President over Trump? (Rubio, Kasich, Cruz, etc.)
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From the article on Congressman Kinzinger
"When loyalty for Trump became a litmus test for Republican conservatism, it was a bridge too far"
