Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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@jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Nope. He won re-election handily.
So did Trump.
Trump lost his reelection bid by a landslide.
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Nope. He won re-election handily.
So did Trump.
Trump lost his reelection bid by a landslide.
Yes, after all the illegal votes were counted.
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Trump slashes at McConnell as he reiterates election falsehoods at Republican event
... Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.
Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.
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Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. ...@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
... Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.
Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.
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Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. ...I was read where he did something similar (but not in as bad a terms) to VP Pence.
The downside for the Republics is that they may elect someone in the 2024 primary who will have difficulty in winning in the general election. There are 30-40% on each side who will vote for "their" party regardless. It is the 20-30% in the middle who have to be convinced. In 2016, the majority of those people were convinced the President Trump was a better alternative to Secretary Clinton.
in 2020, those same people were convinced the President Trump was not the better alternative.
Running President Trump again or a President Trump clone in 2024 will, I believe, end in the same result as 2020.
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
... Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.
Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.
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Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. ...I was read where he did something similar (but not in as bad a terms) to VP Pence.
The downside for the Republics is that they may elect someone in the 2024 primary who will have difficulty in winning in the general election. There are 30-40% on each side who will vote for "their" party regardless. It is the 20-30% in the middle who have to be convinced. In 2016, the majority of those people were convinced the President Trump was a better alternative to Secretary Clinton.
in 2020, those same people were convinced the President Trump was not the better alternative.
Running President Trump again or a President Trump clone in 2024 will, I believe, end in the same result as 2020.
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
There are 30-40% on each side who will vote for "their" party regardless.
By 2024 nobody will vote for Joe Biden. There are 3 reasons why not.
- He will be in jail
- He will have gone to his reward
- He will have lost the tiny bit of cognitive ability that remains
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/13/michael-wood-texas-gop-481024
“Wood is campaigning on an explicitly anti-Trump platform as he competes with 22 other candidates in a special election to fill the seat of the late Rep. Ron Wright (R-Texas), who represented a rapidly diversifying district in the Dallas-Fort Worth suburbs. Wood’s risky strategy centers on a belief there is a healthy slice of the GOP ready to move on from Trump after Jan. 6 — a proposition that will be tested at the ballot box next month”
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Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.
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Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.
89th (or was it Xenon) was saying the other day that Trump had faded from the national stage. I repkued that I didn't think so.
Thank you for proving my point...
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Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-electionIn an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.
“To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.
If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...
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Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-electionIn an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.
“To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.
If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-electionIn an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.
“To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.
If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...
Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-electionIn an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.
“To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.
If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...
Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.
@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.
Indeed, even Reps. Greene and Gosar have since been trying distance themselves from it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-reps-greene-gosar-try-distance-anglo-saxon-traditions-document-n1264437
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/02/lin-wood-south-carolina-race-485189
Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood brings “surprisingly strong” challenge to South Carolina’s state GOP chair, that despite Trump already endorsed the incumbent state party chairperson.
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https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/05/01/utah-gop-state-convention/
The Utah GOP attempted to censure Sen. Mitt Romney for his vote to convict Trump on his second impeachment trial. The vote to censure Romney failed, narrowly.
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Trump keeps winning in the GOP’s civil war
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-winning-rounds-gops-civil-war-note/story?id=77451029
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Since 1989, the Florida GOP has worked to expand voting by mail, and the practice seems to have benefited the GOP more than the Dems. Yet because of Trump’s rhetoric regarding voting by mail around the 2020 election, the Florida GOP control legislature and the GOP governor have been working to curtail voting by mail, essentially undoing their predecessors’ efforts to expand voting by mail in the last three decades. Now it seems the Florida GOP operatives on the ground are worried that curtailing voting by mail will adversely impact the GOP’s electoral fortune in Florida.
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Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.
@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
Maybe he was talking about himself?
After all, he did lead the Republics to losses in the President, the Senate, and the Representatives all in the same election.
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“... Romney, like Cheney, is part of a Republican Party with a long history. But that party no longer exists. The GOP that elevated Romney and Cheney’s father and the Bushes was a party that was conservative in its values and policy positions, but also open to disagreement and debate. It was not a cult of personality. Now the litmus test is plain: Cross the former president and suffer consequences.
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Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:
Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/ -
Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:
Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/His message: I am still the rightful president, and President Biden is illegitimate. Trump repeats these words now
I remember a certain
womanfemaleDemocrat candidate saying the same thing.Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law.
No specifice here, but see my comment above.
choose truth and fidelity to the Constitution.
Yup. Certify the vote, making sure that votes are legitimate. Keep the separation of powers and states' right to legitimize elections without political interference (yeah, Michigan, you know who I'm looking at).
I am a conservative Republican, and the most conservative of conservative values is reverence for the rule of law
I've always admired Congresswoman Cheney's stance on many issues. I don't dispute her conservative creds.
More than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple Trump-appointed judges, have rejected the former president’s arguments, and refused to overturn election results.
"Rejected" is not the same thing as "overturned." Because a court refuses to hear an argument does not make it false.
First, support the ongoing Justice Department criminal investigations of the Jan. 6 attack.
Yes. And those investigations should be conducted with the same rigor that the attacks on federal property in Portland and other places were conducted. Equal protection, right? How many of the attackers on the federal courthouse in Portland are still incarcerated?
The Black Lives Matter and antifa violence of last summer was illegal and reprehensible, but it is a different problem with a different solution.
Yes, it might be a different problem, but the laws that were broken were, arguably, the same. Why treat them differently?
