Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Our two party system is morphing into the Democratic Party and the Anti-democratic Party.

Glenn Reynolds: “For a guy who supposedly lost, Trump sure had a lot of coattails. And for a guy who supposedly won, Biden sure didn’t.”

[jon-nyc]

Makes you think there were Republicans that didn't want to vote for him. I'll bet Mr Reynolds knows some! Probably has pet names for them like 'RINO' and "NeverTrumper'.

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Our two party system is morphing into the Democratic Party and the Anti-democratic Party.

Pretty much. Many old style GOP voters would rather have anything but what’s on the Democrat menu. A fragile coalition of hard core Trumpsters and urban socially liberal GOP. If GOP alienates the Trump base it has no firm idea how to replace it.

[Axtremus]

https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-senator-mike-shirkey-thinks-capitol-riot-was-staged-mitch-mcconnell-was-part-it-1568075

Michigan Senator Mike Shirkey Thinks Capitol Riot Was 'Staged,' Mitch McConnell Was 'Part of It'

Shirkey's comments were recorded in a video that was posted on YouTube after he met with members of the Hillsdale County Republican Party. The local GOP group later voted to censure him for not supporting former President Donald Trump enough and for failing to stand up to Governor Gretchen Whitmer with regard to the Second Amendment and COVID-19 restrictions.
The conversation began as a meeting about his upcoming censure but turned attention to the Capitol riot. When asked "What about the D.C. thing?" Shirkey called it a "hoax from day one."
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Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey claims that the Jan.6 Capitol riot was a hoax, accused McConnell for being in on the hoax, then he got censured by the Hillsdale County GOP for not supporting Trump enough.

What are these people thinking?

[Loki]

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US. How many times are we going to quote these people? There are so many fringe examples on both sides.

This is akin to commenting on any twitter post from any post.

[Mik]

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US. How many times are we going to quote these people? There are so many fringe examples on both sides.

This is akin to commenting on any twitter post from any post.

Shhh... you're interrupting the narrative that ignores the fact that most folks are rather centrist.

[Axtremus]

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.

Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.

[Loki]

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.

Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.

I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.

So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?

[Copper]

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Shirkey called it a "hoax from day one."
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I think we can all agree that the coverage of the event meant to present a hoax.

A few doofusses taking selfies were not going to overthrow anything.

[Renauda]

You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.

[Axtremus]

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.

Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.

I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.

So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?

I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.

If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."

[Loki]

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.

Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.

I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.

So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?

I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.

If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."

So I spent some time and see that he apologized for calling the riot a hoax as well as being staged and what he said about McConnell. And the censure had about 15 points in it of which the stuff you highlighted was two or three. I had to get all that by piecing together several articles. Do you concur with what I just said as it seems relevant to the entire picture.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.

All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.

[Horace]

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@loki said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Sharkey is a state senator, likely thousands in the US.

Sharkey is a state senate majority leader; there are only 50 of those in the US.

I have said many times quoting state critters is diving into the mosh pit. It’s so crazy to make it national news is just abusive as most people don’t catch the big asterisk.

So your state senate leader said something crazy, okay, well that state congressperson stuff happens many times a day. You gonna cherry pick?

I probably wouldn't post it if it's only Sharkey saying some crazy things. I post it because there is also the compounding factor of the county GOP censuring Shirkey for "not supporting Trump enough" after Shirkey saying those crazy things. Putting the two together gives us a window into how state/county GOP works in the post-Trump environment.

If you wish, you can try to find examples of Democratic state senate majority leaders saying crazy things and then have state/county Democratic parties censuring him/her for "not supporting Obama/Clinton/Biden enough," then we can compare notes to see if there really is any equivalence or somehow the Trump-supporting GOP wing is "more special."

So I spent some time and see that he apologized for calling the riot a hoax as well as being staged and what he said about McConnell. And the censure had about 15 points in it of which the stuff you highlighted was two or three. I had to get all that by piecing together several articles. Do you concur with what I just said as it seems relevant to the entire picture.

Thanks for doing the legwork.

[Renauda]

@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.

All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.

It was that simple.

You bet.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

You're probably right. T'was a mere trifle in the scheme of things.

All they needed to do was lock the Capitol doors.

It was that simple.

You bet.

Sure, I do. I know if there was more security, the "coup attempt" would have less rhetorical value. And even with no security, the "coup attempt" was a complete joke. I don't think furry horn guy thought he was taking over the country. He was taking selfies.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

Makes you think there were Republicans that didn't want to vote for him. I'll bet Mr Reynolds knows some! Probably has pet names for them like 'RINO' and "NeverTrumper'.

Probably also knows some dead Democrats that didn't vote for him, either.

[Renauda]

I don't recall ever saying it was a coup attempt.

They were a fine bunch of patriots and libertarians out for a stroll in the park and promenade in front of the Capitol.

Like I wrote, a mere trifle.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

I don't recall ever saying it was a coup attempt.

They were a fine bunch of patriots and libertarians out for a stroll in the park and promenade in front of the Capitol.

Like I wrote, a mere trifle.

Some people here have called it a coup attempt, not to mention the MSM. I'm sorry if I got you conflated with them.

[Renauda]

@horace a trifle, nothing more.