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Puzzle time

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  • markM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #11

    It doesn't matter. They will all be dead from corona virus in a few weeks. ๐ŸŒก๐Ÿค’

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #12

      Canโ€™t just throw out a number, you have to say why

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #13

        This one took me a little while.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • KlausK Offline
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          #14

          OK, let's see.

          Since there are at most 20 people anyone can shake hands with, the different numbers of the other 21 partygoers must be the numbers from 0 to 20...

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          • KlausK Offline
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            Klaus
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            #15

            What I don't understand is how Ms. Klaus plays any designated role in your puzzle that would allow me to distinguish her from anyone else.

            Let's say we name the other 21 persons p-0 to p-20, whereby p-0 shook 0 hands, p-1 shook 1 hands etc.

            Ms. Klaus could be any p-i without raising a contradiction.

            So, let's say Ms. Klaus is p-7 and shook hands with 7 other people. If the puzzle is well-designed, that should lead to some kind of contradiction. But I don't see a contradiction.

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            • KlausK Offline
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              Klaus
              wrote on last edited by Klaus
              #16

              Hm, wait a minute.

              The guy with the 20 handshakes, p-20 must have shaken Ms. Klaus hand because he shook everyone's hand except his own partner's.

              So Ms. Klaus cannot be p-0. And p-20's partner must be p-0, by the same argument.

              Presumably this is the base case of some kind of inductive argument...

              But on the other hand, what prevents Ms. Klaus from being p-20? Hmm...

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              • KlausK Offline
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                Klaus
                wrote on last edited by Klaus
                #17

                Ah, I think I got it.

                p-20 must have shaken my hand and hence cannot be Ms. Klaus.
                p-20's partner must have been p-0, who can hence also not be Ms. Klaus.

                p-19 must have shaken my hand, too, because he didn't shake p-0's hand, hence p-19 cannot be Ms. Klaus either.
                By the same argument as above, p-19's partner is p-1, who also cannot be Ms. Klaus.

                If we continue in the same way until p-11 and p-9, we see that the only number that is left is p-10.

                Ms. Klaus shook 10 hands.

                Correct?

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  No, your first statement is not correct.

                  Hint - first find out how many hands you shook.

                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                  • KlausK Offline
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                    #19

                    Oh, I see. I think my solution is still correct.

                    p-20 must be married to p-0, ..., p-11 must be married to p-9.

                    Hence my wife can't be any of p-0,...,p-9 or p-11 to p-20, because I'm not among the ones they are married to.

                    That leaves only the p-10 spot for her.

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      #20

                      Here's the full solution.

                      p-0 : {}
                      p-1 : {p-20}
                      p-2 : {p-19,p-20}
                      ...
                      p-9 : {p-12,....,p-20}
                      p-10 = Ms. Klaus : {p-11,...,p-20}
                      p-11 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-12, ..., p-20}
                      p-12 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-9, p-11, p-13, ..., p-20}
                      p-13 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-8, p-9, p-11,p-12, p-14, ..., p-20}
                      ...
                      p-20: {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-1, .., p-9, p-11,...,p-19}
                      Mr. Klaus: {p-11,...,p-20}

                      Is this not correct?

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                        #21

                        Typical German. You should just ask her.

                        I was only joking

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #22

                          Yes you are right, Klaus

                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          • KlausK Offline
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                            #23

                            It's a pretty neat puzzle.

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