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India Pakistan heating up.

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  • J Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 18:20 last edited by
    #1

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      Mik
      wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 18:49 last edited by
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      Beside the long history of, what’s the genesis here?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 19:35 last edited by
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        The religion of peace murdering 25 Indian civilians in Kashmir.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 25 Apr 2025, 13:24 last edited by
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          Indian Kashmir and Jammu are majority Islam religion. When UK separated India into India and Pakistan, they also divided Kashmir/Jamnu. A lot (most?) of the residents in the India part of the region believe that they should be part of Pakistan.

          So, there has been a "truce" in place for a long time.

          As @jon-nyc says, in recent, there is a "separtist" group that killed a number of Indians in a meadow in Kashmir. India claims the group is controlled by Pakistan. Pakistan says no. Probably the truth is somewhere in the middle.

          Fun fact #1, the only ski resort in India is in Kashmir, called Gumilir.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 25 Apr 2025, 14:56 last edited by
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            I think it's fair to say the Brits made a bit of a mess of things. If you look at the map in the 60's, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and West Pakistan look absolutely ridiculous. I had some friends who were Kashmiri Pakistanis, and they would regularly harangue me about this as though I was personally responsible.

            I was only joking

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              Mik
              wrote on 25 Apr 2025, 15:02 last edited by
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              Some friends.

              I wonder how much cultural blindness had to do with many of the partitions of de-colonization. Seems like a great idea to the admittedly ethnocentric Brits, never considering whether it would be accepted by the partionees.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • M Mik
                25 Apr 2025, 15:02

                Some friends.

                I wonder how much cultural blindness had to do with many of the partitions of de-colonization. Seems like a great idea to the admittedly ethnocentric Brits, never considering whether it would be accepted by the partionees.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 25 Apr 2025, 15:16 last edited by
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                @Mik said in India Pakistan heating up.:

                Some friends.

                I wonder how much cultural blindness had to do with many of the partitions of de-colonization. Seems like a great idea to the admittedly ethnocentric Brits, never considering whether it would be accepted by the partionees.

                Well, they tried the same thing with Ireland in 1921, and that worked a treat, so what could possibly go wrong?

                I was only joking

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                  xenon
                  wrote on 25 Apr 2025, 16:23 last edited by
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                  The Pakistan line was drawn through Punjab. Punjab was the location of the last independent Indian empire that fell to the British.

                  About 12-20 million people were displaced and some estimate up to 2 million deaths from resulting violence and deprivation.

                  The line was so ineptly drawn that the founding temple of the Sikh faith ended up in Pakistan. (Sikhism comes from Punjab).

                  The apocryphal story is that Lord Mountbatten couldn't take the Indian summer heat and just drew a line through villages and cities as fast as he could.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 26 Apr 2025, 21:01 last edited by
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                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 27 Apr 2025, 18:03 last edited by
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                      “ISIS with a formal government”

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 28 Apr 2025, 00:07 last edited by taiwan_girl
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                        I thought a good book about the "partition" was Freedom at Midnight.

                        It has been few years since I have read it, but I remember that it seemed to give a good overlook of the events.

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                          89th
                          wrote on 28 Apr 2025, 14:13 last edited by
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                          Great top comment. "Ziplining while staring into your device. The faint sounds of bombs going off in the distance. This is 2025."

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1k9v7dj/tourists_zipline_footage_captures_ongoing_terror/

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 28 Apr 2025, 15:34 last edited by
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                            Don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              89th
                              wrote on 28 Apr 2025, 16:18 last edited by
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                              Hahaha I laughed, that is sadly good.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 29 Apr 2025, 20:47 last edited by
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                                This seems like kind of a big deal.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 29 Apr 2025, 21:32 last edited by
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                                  Link to video

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 29 Apr 2025, 21:49 last edited by
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                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 29 Apr 2025, 22:03 last edited by
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                                      So, what we know for sure is that Pakistan wanted the world to think they have received confirmed intelligence that India will strike within 24 to 36 hours.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 29 Apr 2025, 22:29 last edited by
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                                        The consensus on that thread is India will crush them. Swell.

                                        Islam just keeps making trouble in the world.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • M Mik
                                          29 Apr 2025, 22:29

                                          The consensus on that thread is India will crush them. Swell.

                                          Islam just keeps making trouble in the world.

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 07:19 last edited by
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                                          @Mik Now if it only were for islam....

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