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India Pakistan heating up.

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    Indian Kashmir and Jammu are majority Islam religion. When UK separated India into India and Pakistan, they also divided Kashmir/Jamnu. A lot (most?) of the residents in the India part of the region believe that they should be part of Pakistan.

    So, there has been a "truce" in place for a long time.

    As @jon-nyc says, in recent, there is a "separtist" group that killed a number of Indians in a meadow in Kashmir. India claims the group is controlled by Pakistan. Pakistan says no. Probably the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    Fun fact #1, the only ski resort in India is in Kashmir, called Gumilir.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      I think it's fair to say the Brits made a bit of a mess of things. If you look at the map in the 60's, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and West Pakistan look absolutely ridiculous. I had some friends who were Kashmiri Pakistanis, and they would regularly harangue me about this as though I was personally responsible.

      I was only joking

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      • MikM Offline
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        Some friends.

        I wonder how much cultural blindness had to do with many of the partitions of de-colonization. Seems like a great idea to the admittedly ethnocentric Brits, never considering whether it would be accepted by the partionees.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Some friends.

          I wonder how much cultural blindness had to do with many of the partitions of de-colonization. Seems like a great idea to the admittedly ethnocentric Brits, never considering whether it would be accepted by the partionees.

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          Doctor Phibes
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          @Mik said in India Pakistan heating up.:

          Some friends.

          I wonder how much cultural blindness had to do with many of the partitions of de-colonization. Seems like a great idea to the admittedly ethnocentric Brits, never considering whether it would be accepted by the partionees.

          Well, they tried the same thing with Ireland in 1921, and that worked a treat, so what could possibly go wrong?

          I was only joking

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            The Pakistan line was drawn through Punjab. Punjab was the location of the last independent Indian empire that fell to the British.

            About 12-20 million people were displaced and some estimate up to 2 million deaths from resulting violence and deprivation.

            The line was so ineptly drawn that the founding temple of the Sikh faith ended up in Pakistan. (Sikhism comes from Punjab).

            The apocryphal story is that Lord Mountbatten couldn't take the Indian summer heat and just drew a line through villages and cities as fast as he could.

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              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                “ISIS with a formal government”

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  #11

                  I thought a good book about the "partition" was Freedom at Midnight.

                  It has been few years since I have read it, but I remember that it seemed to give a good overlook of the events.

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                  • 89th8 Online
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                    Great top comment. "Ziplining while staring into your device. The faint sounds of bombs going off in the distance. This is 2025."

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1k9v7dj/tourists_zipline_footage_captures_ongoing_terror/

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                      #13

                      Don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • 89th8 Online
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                        Hahaha I laughed, that is sadly good.

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                          This seems like kind of a big deal.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Link to video

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              jon-nyc
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                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                So, what we know for sure is that Pakistan wanted the world to think they have received confirmed intelligence that India will strike within 24 to 36 hours.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  The consensus on that thread is India will crush them. Swell.

                                  Islam just keeps making trouble in the world.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    The consensus on that thread is India will crush them. Swell.

                                    Islam just keeps making trouble in the world.

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                                    Wim
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                                    @Mik Now if it only were for islam....

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                                    • 89th8 Online
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                                      Live look into the fighting!

                                      Link to video

                                      Link to video

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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        surprised that last video hasn't been taken down with the VOA losing its funding and all that. :eek

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                                          They're much like birds dancing to seek a mate. But you can see the British influence in the ceremonies.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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