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  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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    Doctor Phibes
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    #27

    I came to my own conclusions.

    I didn't read the thread.

    I was only joking

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

      My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

      And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

      I mean just Doge.

      They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

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      #28

      @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

      @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

      My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

      And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

      I mean just Doge.

      They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

      Sure, but the baseline budget deficit figures would have taken that into account whether they were all auditors or only half. So the point about Doge remains the same.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

        @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

        My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

        And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

        I mean just Doge.

        They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

        That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
        #29

        @Horace said in Elon’s report card:

        @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

        @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

        My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

        And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

        I mean just Doge.

        They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

        That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

        Haha Copper how’d you get Horace’s login?

        Anyway, as Horace well knows, to say ‘hiring as many auditors as you need until you maximize revenues is not politically tenable’ is quite different from saying ‘hiring any more auditors is politically untenable’.

        Having said that the political fight around the 30k was quite significant.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          @Horace said in Elon’s report card:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

          @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

          My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

          And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

          I mean just Doge.

          They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

          That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

          Haha Copper how’d you get Horace’s login?

          Anyway, as Horace well knows, to say ‘hiring as many auditors as you need until you maximize revenues is not politically tenable’ is quite different from saying ‘hiring any more auditors is politically untenable’.

          Having said that the political fight around the 30k was quite significant.

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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #30

          @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

          @Horace said in Elon’s report card:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

          @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

          My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

          And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

          I mean just Doge.

          They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

          That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

          Haha Copper how’d you get Horace’s login?

          Anyway, as Horace well knows, to say ‘hiring as many auditors as you need until you maximize revenues is not politically tenable’ is quite different from saying ‘hiring any more auditors is politically untenable’.

          Having said that the political fight around the 30k was quite significant.

          Ok Michelle Obama.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            I came to my own conclusions.

            I didn't read the thread.

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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #31

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Elon’s report card:

            I came to my own conclusions.

            I didn't read the thread.

            Wise.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #32

              And many of his paltry cuts weren’t implemented?

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                taiwan_girl
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                #33

                I think his time at DOGE is like the story of the Greece boy who flew too close to the sun.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #34

                  The economist had a fabulous headline:

                  “DOGE bites man.”

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #35

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      #36

                      Has anyone done a retrospective on how many ex-Twitter employees got hired back into X?

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote last edited by
                        #37

                        Surely not as no outsider would have access to the info. And I doubt it was more than a handful.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          Horace
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                          Meanwhile, we can discard in retrospect all of the cynical tribalism when DOGE first started that it was a bad faith endeavor. I always believed it was a good faith endeavor that was not likely to be productive, and that’s about how it’s turned out.

                          I suppose there are still plenty of cynics who think Elon cares about nothing related to actual government efficiency and austerity, but I think current evidence is piled against them.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #39

                            Michael Munger put it best, referencing Tyler Cowen:

                            DOGE was terrific, if unintentional, test of @tylercowen's "state capacity libertarianism."

                            link

                            1. Ask if government should be doing this.
                            2. If answer=YES, then ensure work is fully staffed, professional and well-compensated.

                            Across the board cuts=dumb

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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