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Elon’s report card

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  • J jon-nyc
    28 days ago

    It’s not politically teneble.

    We’d reduce speeding and save lives if we put traffic cameras literally everywhere or mandated that car manufactures track speeds and report violations to the police.

    Good luck to the politician that proposes that. Though the corrupt officials in Yonkers seem to have come close with the speed cameras

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    Horace
    wrote 28 days ago last edited by
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    @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

    It’s not politically teneble.

    You can keep saying that, it will remain untrue. There is nothing untenable about messaging an increase in tax revenues, without increasing taxes. Actually, that would be good messaging.

    We’d reduce speeding and save lives if we put traffic cameras literally everywhere or mandated that car manufactures track speeds and report violations to the police.

    Good luck to the politician that proposes that. Though the corrupt officials in Yonkers seem to have come close with the speed cameras

    It's not as if an increase in IRS head count needs to be part of any politician's platform. It would just be buried in some bill, and the wonks would talk about it on podcasts.

    Thinking about it more, I suspect that the real reason this isn't done, is that the returns are trivial, if positive.

    Education is extremely important.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote 28 days ago last edited by jon-nyc 5 Aug 2025, 13:52
      #19

      I agree there exists a possible world where all the evidence is wrong and you’ve intuited the true answer. I just don’t think we live in that world.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • J jon-nyc
        28 days ago

        I agree there exists a possible world where all the evidence is wrong and you’ve intuited the true answer. I just don’t think we live in that world.

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        Horace
        wrote 28 days ago last edited by
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        @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

        I agree there exists a possible world where all the evidence is wrong and you’ve intuited the true answer. I just don’t think we live in that world.

        You keep hoping I'm making points other than the ones I'm making. Sorry to not leave the dunking lane open as wide as you'd like.

        Education is extremely important.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote 28 days ago last edited by jon-nyc 5 Aug 2025, 13:55
          #21

          Ok, Horace. People can read the thread and come to their own conclusions.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • J jon-nyc
            28 days ago

            Ok, Horace. People can read the thread and come to their own conclusions.

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            Horace
            wrote 28 days ago last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

            Ok, Horace. People can read the thread and come to their own conclusions.

            Maybe a small handful of people will read and come to their own conclusions. More likely, nobody will read. (Especially not your AI dumps.) Meanwhile, you would be unable to put a point I've made into your own words and demonstrate where it's wrong. Skepticism is not a factual claim. I also posited this, which ties everything up into a neat bow, but which is just a guess:

            Thinking about it more, I suspect that the real reason this isn't done, is that the returns are trivial, if positive.

            So go ask Grok what the actual returns are. How much revenue are we going to lose by losing those auditors due to DOGE, how much would be stand to gain by rehiring them and then hiring some more?

            Education is extremely important.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote 28 days ago last edited by
              #23

              👋 I read this thread. LOL

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              • T taiwan_girl
                28 days ago

                👋 I read this thread. LOL

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                Horace
                wrote 28 days ago last edited by
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                @taiwan_girl said in Elon’s report card:

                👋 I read this thread. LOL

                I would never have recommended that.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  28 days ago

                  My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                  And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                  I mean just Doge.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote 28 days ago last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                  My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                  And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                  I mean just Doge.

                  They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                    28 days ago

                    @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                    My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                    And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                    I mean just Doge.

                    They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

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                    Horace
                    wrote 28 days ago last edited by
                    #26

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

                    @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                    My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                    And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                    I mean just Doge.

                    They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                    That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote 28 days ago last edited by
                      #27

                      I came to my own conclusions.

                      I didn't read the thread.

                      I was only joking

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                        28 days ago

                        @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                        My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                        And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                        I mean just Doge.

                        They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote 28 days ago last edited by
                        #28

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

                        @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                        My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                        And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                        I mean just Doge.

                        They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                        Sure, but the baseline budget deficit figures would have taken that into account whether they were all auditors or only half. So the point about Doge remains the same.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • H Horace
                          28 days ago

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

                          @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                          My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                          And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                          I mean just Doge.

                          They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                          That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote 28 days ago last edited by jon-nyc 5 Aug 2025, 17:18
                          #29

                          @Horace said in Elon’s report card:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

                          @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                          My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                          And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                          I mean just Doge.

                          They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                          That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

                          Haha Copper how’d you get Horace’s login?

                          Anyway, as Horace well knows, to say ‘hiring as many auditors as you need until you maximize revenues is not politically tenable’ is quite different from saying ‘hiring any more auditors is politically untenable’.

                          Having said that the political fight around the 30k was quite significant.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • J jon-nyc
                            28 days ago

                            @Horace said in Elon’s report card:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

                            @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                            My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                            And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                            I mean just Doge.

                            They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                            That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

                            Haha Copper how’d you get Horace’s login?

                            Anyway, as Horace well knows, to say ‘hiring as many auditors as you need until you maximize revenues is not politically tenable’ is quite different from saying ‘hiring any more auditors is politically untenable’.

                            Having said that the political fight around the 30k was quite significant.

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                            Horace
                            wrote 28 days ago last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                            @Horace said in Elon’s report card:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Elon’s report card:

                            @jon-nyc said in Elon’s report card:

                            My guess is this little fact alone will mean Doge’s net effect will have been to increase the deficit.

                            And I don’t mean the entire Trump admin with his big beautiful bill, of course that will be a world historic deficit increase.

                            I mean just Doge.

                            They added 30K new positions between 2023 and the end of Biden’s term. Now, all of those weren’t auditors, but quite a few were.

                            That never happened. It would be politically untenable.

                            Haha Copper how’d you get Horace’s login?

                            Anyway, as Horace well knows, to say ‘hiring as many auditors as you need until you maximize revenues is not politically tenable’ is quite different from saying ‘hiring any more auditors is politically untenable’.

                            Having said that the political fight around the 30k was quite significant.

                            Ok Michelle Obama.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes
                              28 days ago

                              I came to my own conclusions.

                              I didn't read the thread.

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                              Horace
                              wrote 28 days ago last edited by
                              #31

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Elon’s report card:

                              I came to my own conclusions.

                              I didn't read the thread.

                              Wise.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote 11 days ago last edited by
                                #32

                                And many of his paltry cuts weren’t implemented?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote 11 days ago last edited by
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                                  I think his time at DOGE is like the story of the Greece boy who flew too close to the sun.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote a day ago last edited by
                                    #34

                                    The economist had a fabulous headline:

                                    “DOGE bites man.”

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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