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    Horace
    wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 12:41 last edited by
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    CFR has been a polluted number to think about forever. IMO it does more harm than good. Anybody who would like to disseminate a CFR should do some legwork to use a reasonable approximation of an IFR instead. Every time someone talks about CFR, a kitten with no comorbidities dies.

    Education is extremely important.

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 13:25 last edited by
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      I’ve got a suspicion the asymptomatic cases are through the roof and we just don’t know it.

      I am also remembering a theory from back in February/March that the total numbers would ultimately be the same no matter what, the only question was if we could stretch them out and protect the vulnerable.

      The Brad

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        Klaus
        wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 13:30 last edited by
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        I wonder what France, Spain etc. do differently than Germany. The infection rates in these countries are almost at all-time highs again, whereas they are only slightly higher over here.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 13:34 last edited by
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          Sauerkraut, @Klaus , your wonderfully sauerkraut. Man, I miss real sauerkraut.

          The Brad

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          • H Horace
            14 Sept 2020, 12:41

            CFR has been a polluted number to think about forever. IMO it does more harm than good. Anybody who would like to disseminate a CFR should do some legwork to use a reasonable approximation of an IFR instead. Every time someone talks about CFR, a kitten with no comorbidities dies.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 14:03 last edited by
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            @Horace said in Second Wave?:

            Every time someone talks about CFR, a kitten with no comorbidities dies.

            Yes but an old kitten. Prolly in a nursing home.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • K Klaus
              14 Sept 2020, 13:30

              I wonder what France, Spain etc. do differently than Germany. The infection rates in these countries are almost at all-time highs again, whereas they are only slightly higher over here.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 14:35 last edited by
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              @Klaus said in Second Wave?:

              I wonder what France, Spain etc. do differently than Germany. The infection rates in these countries are almost at all-time highs again, whereas they are only slightly higher over here.

              I hate to bring in national stereotypes, but sometimes it's hard not to state the obvious.

              I was only joking

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 15:01 last edited by
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                I think that more and more younger people are having it now. That definitely has a "impact" on the Case Fatality Rate. (And maybe even teh infection rate also)

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  14 Sept 2020, 13:25

                  I’ve got a suspicion the asymptomatic cases are through the roof and we just don’t know it.

                  I am also remembering a theory from back in February/March that the total numbers would ultimately be the same no matter what, the only question was if we could stretch them out and protect the vulnerable.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 15:42 last edited by
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Second Wave?:

                  I’ve got a suspicion the asymptomatic cases are through the roof and we just don’t know it.

                  I am also remembering a theory from back in February/March that the total numbers would ultimately be the same no matter what, the only question was if we could stretch them out and protect the vulnerable.

                  I don't think the theory is wrong. The goal has always been to flatten the curve. Any sane person knows we won't eradicate this.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 14 Sept 2020, 17:12 last edited by
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                    The curve is flat.

                    As promised.

                    Thank you Mr. Trump.

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                      bachophile
                      wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 03:23 last edited by
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                      Less HCQ

                      But seriously I think there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 12:46 last edited by Jolly
                        #13

                        Anecdotally speaking, from a very small sliver of information...Most of the positive COVID tests I'm seeing are not the nursing home set. They're 50 and down...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:18 last edited by
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                          I’m getting a test today.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • H Horace
                            15 Sept 2020, 14:18

                            I’m getting a test today.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:26 last edited by
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                            @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                            I’m getting a test today.

                            Feeling a bit poorly?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:31 last edited by
                              #16

                              I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:32 last edited by
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                                Taking MFR for a test today. She's having a routine preventitive procedure Friday.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:33 last edited by
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                                  I'm not going to tell them I was just on a plane to and from Missouri when they ask about recent travels because screw arbitrary COVID rules. Not that I think that would be disqualifying, but I'm not going to bother with the discussion and potential complications.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • H Horace
                                    15 Sept 2020, 14:31

                                    I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 15:07 last edited by
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                                    @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                                    I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                                    Good luck!!!! 🍀

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                                    • T taiwan_girl
                                      15 Sept 2020, 15:07

                                      @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                                      I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                                      Good luck!!!! 🍀

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 15:24 last edited by
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in Second Wave?:

                                      @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                                      I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                                      Good luck!!!! 🍀

                                      Thanks TG. Third time's a charm!

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • H Horace
                                        15 Sept 2020, 14:33

                                        I'm not going to tell them I was just on a plane to and from Missouri when they ask about recent travels because screw arbitrary COVID rules. Not that I think that would be disqualifying, but I'm not going to bother with the discussion and potential complications.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 15:50 last edited by
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                                        @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                                        I'm not going to tell them I was just on a plane to and from Missouri when they ask about recent travels because screw arbitrary COVID rules. Not that I think that would be disqualifying, but I'm not going to bother with the discussion and potential complications.

                                        Horace, I work with COVID patients. The phlebotomist couldn't stick one Sunday, so I had to gown up and go procure the specimens. Twice.

                                        I lie my happy ass off.🤠

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          15 Sept 2020, 03:23

                                          Less HCQ

                                          But seriously I think there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 15:57 last edited by
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                                          @bachophile said in Second Wave?:

                                          there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it

                                          You're a lot closer to this than I am, so perhaps you can fill us in on what's different and what's better?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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