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  • KlausK Klaus

    I wonder what France, Spain etc. do differently than Germany. The infection rates in these countries are almost at all-time highs again, whereas they are only slightly higher over here.

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    @Klaus said in Second Wave?:

    I wonder what France, Spain etc. do differently than Germany. The infection rates in these countries are almost at all-time highs again, whereas they are only slightly higher over here.

    I hate to bring in national stereotypes, but sometimes it's hard not to state the obvious.

    I was only joking

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      I think that more and more younger people are having it now. That definitely has a "impact" on the Case Fatality Rate. (And maybe even teh infection rate also)

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        I’ve got a suspicion the asymptomatic cases are through the roof and we just don’t know it.

        I am also remembering a theory from back in February/March that the total numbers would ultimately be the same no matter what, the only question was if we could stretch them out and protect the vulnerable.

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        @LuFins-Dad said in Second Wave?:

        I’ve got a suspicion the asymptomatic cases are through the roof and we just don’t know it.

        I am also remembering a theory from back in February/March that the total numbers would ultimately be the same no matter what, the only question was if we could stretch them out and protect the vulnerable.

        I don't think the theory is wrong. The goal has always been to flatten the curve. Any sane person knows we won't eradicate this.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          The curve is flat.

          As promised.

          Thank you Mr. Trump.

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            bachophile
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            Less HCQ

            But seriously I think there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it.

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              #13

              Anecdotally speaking, from a very small sliver of information...Most of the positive COVID tests I'm seeing are not the nursing home set. They're 50 and down...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                I’m getting a test today.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  I’m getting a test today.

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                  @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                  I’m getting a test today.

                  Feeling a bit poorly?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Taking MFR for a test today. She's having a routine preventitive procedure Friday.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        I'm not going to tell them I was just on a plane to and from Missouri when they ask about recent travels because screw arbitrary COVID rules. Not that I think that would be disqualifying, but I'm not going to bother with the discussion and potential complications.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

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                          @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                          I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                          Good luck!!!! 🍀

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                            I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                            Good luck!!!! 🍀

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Second Wave?:

                            @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                            I have a surgery for my thumb on Friday and they require a test prior. This is a new rule as of a month or so ago.

                            Good luck!!!! 🍀

                            Thanks TG. Third time's a charm!

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              I'm not going to tell them I was just on a plane to and from Missouri when they ask about recent travels because screw arbitrary COVID rules. Not that I think that would be disqualifying, but I'm not going to bother with the discussion and potential complications.

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                              @Horace said in Second Wave?:

                              I'm not going to tell them I was just on a plane to and from Missouri when they ask about recent travels because screw arbitrary COVID rules. Not that I think that would be disqualifying, but I'm not going to bother with the discussion and potential complications.

                              Horace, I work with COVID patients. The phlebotomist couldn't stick one Sunday, so I had to gown up and go procure the specimens. Twice.

                              I lie my happy ass off.🤠

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • bachophileB bachophile

                                Less HCQ

                                But seriously I think there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it.

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                                @bachophile said in Second Wave?:

                                there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it

                                You're a lot closer to this than I am, so perhaps you can fill us in on what's different and what's better?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @bachophile said in Second Wave?:

                                  there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it

                                  You're a lot closer to this than I am, so perhaps you can fill us in on what's different and what's better?

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                                  @George-K said in Second Wave?:

                                  @bachophile said in Second Wave?:

                                  there has been a learning curve on treatment and we are just better at it

                                  You're a lot closer to this than I am, so perhaps you can fill us in on what's different and what's better?

                                  Different? Much less panic and therefore much less being strict about things.

                                  Some of the panicky stuff we did, wiping down everything, not leaving the house at all, that’s all gone by the way side.

                                  But in terms of numbers we are 100 times worse. No more endemic areas or hot zones. Now everywhere is a hot zone. The spread is basically nationwide.

                                  Medically, a lot less intubations. Lots of vents sitting in storage unused after there’s was a mad rush to get more and more, remember that?

                                  A lot of better care with dexa and remdesevir. But the beds are filling up fast and that’s going to have an impact

                                  Anyway, lockdown now but it’s not as strict. People can go to work as long as there is no public service rendered. Like restaurants are all closed. But private offices are all open.

                                  What’s the same? Still a royal pain in the ass.

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                                    In our tiny little country, there’s a big discussion going on between virologists and a “health economist” on whether the current increase of infection rate is due to the increased testing rate or because of a second wave. I have no clue who is right...

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                                      bachophile
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                                      All u have to do is check the percentage of positives from the number of tests. If it’s going up, then it’s spreading. The absolute count is less relevant.

                                      If you are above 10% then there is a lot of Covid around.

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                                      • bachophileB bachophile

                                        All u have to do is check the percentage of positives from the number of tests. If it’s going up, then it’s spreading. The absolute count is less relevant.

                                        If you are above 10% then there is a lot of Covid around.

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                                        @bachophile I’m not sure if it’s that simple. At the moment, a large portion of the people getting tested, are those who have to be tested because they are returning from vacation from high risk zones. That’s a very different testing strategy compared to a few months ago. Is that comparable?

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                                          Thailand is still quite strict. Anybody arriving from overseas (actually outside the country) has to quarantine for 14 days, no matter if Thai passport holder or other country. Government will provide hotel and three meals, but you are not allowed to leave. A friend of my recently returned from overseas and had to stay at a hotel for 2 weeks. Here is a picture of the leaving of the meals outside her door. She was quite bored, but it was actually a pretty nice 4* hotel. LOL

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                                          The positive thing is that Thailand has had only a couple of "internal transmissions" of COVID during the last 3 months.

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