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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • kluursK Offline
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    kluurs
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    #884

    Best strategic idea since a mustached guy decided he could wage a 3 front war
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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #885

      And just like that ... Greenland is spared.
      (Until the next episode.)

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        AndyD
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        #886

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        Looks like part of the US to me

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
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          #887

          He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

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          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • MikM Offline
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            wrote last edited by Mik
            #888

            It's SO too late to pull the "allies" in. You break it...

            I'm not sure what they could really add to the picture that we can't anyway.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              #889

              My understanding is raw numbers of ships for escorts. Something like 130 ships a day traverse the straight. Even in small convoys you need a lot of ships.

              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                IMG_1109.jpeg

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by Renauda
                #890

                @jon-nyc said:

                He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

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                Seems to me, keeping “the Strait” open for safe passage is very much in the interests of several multinational American oil and gas producers. There are also both large and small US based O & G equipment manufacturers and service companies operating throughout the Persian Gulf which depend on those shipping lanes.

                The Gulf region supplies Asia with the bulk its sulphur and potash for fertiliser production. With the Strait closed, this driving to price of fertiliser up globally. Owing to this great uncertainty, the rising costs of diesel fuel and fertiliser will make 2026 to be an expensive year for US farmers to sow their fields. Those added expenses will be felt by virtually everyone in the US when they go to the grocery store. If there was no affordability crisis before this, there soon will be especially come autumn.

                So for Trump to say “we don’t” [use it] is wholly false.

                Elbows up!

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  #891

                  Yeah as I said before my fear (and, frankly, expectation) is that he’ll give up when the political price of continuing the war gets too high and just paint a bullseye around the current state of things, whatever they happen to be. This could end up being part of it.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #892

                    I still haven't heard much about the state of affairs in country. Seems like if there were uprisings, we'd be hearing about them long and loud.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #893

                      I don’t think we will see Iranians take to the streets anytime soon. Between the bombs and the state organs of repression, they remain sufficiently cowed into passivity. That however could change very quickly and violently if it becomes difficult to find food.

                      Regardless, the longer the war goes on the more difficult it will be down the road for the West in general, the Israelis in particular and the US specifically, to win many Persian hearts and minds. Based on what I have been reading and hear, that between the US and Israelis, it is only the latter that fully grasps the importance of creating the necessary conditions as soon as possible to effect regime change from below. I don’t sense much savvy in that regard coming out of the WH.

                      Elbows up!

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                        #894

                        Saw these together.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          #895

                          Guy's got a bad rug.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                              bachophile
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                              #897

                              Former ambassador

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #898

                                So is this Iran accepting the ultimatum, but phrasing it as their own ultimatum to sound better?

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  I don’t know this guy, but he’s a macroeconomist who is followed by some respectable people and JD Vance.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Jesus.

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      Trying to figure out how much hyperbole there is in his concern.

                                      On the one hand, Saudi and even Qatar are not dominant players in gas. On the other hand (I just learned from an Odd Lots podcast on the subject) NG is far more expensive to transport and the logistics are very sticky due to pipelines and long term contracts. It’s not as much as a ‘one global market’ as oil is.

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                                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                          My wife just said one of our Alexa clocks is off by 2 minutes. If that doesn’t mean the world is out of sync I don’t know what to say.

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