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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by Mik
    #877

    That would not surprise me one bit.

    Still, it's all bullshit because NATO is a defensive organization and no NATO member is being attacked. Yet. The US and Israel are, and by any clear analysis should be, on their own here.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #878

      I do not dispute that the state of Israel is certainly being attacked and Iran has been and is an immanent threat to the Israeli homeland either directly or through its Arab proxies.

      Iran on the other hand, while being an enemy of the US, does not itself pose or present an immanent threat to the US homeland or the very existence of the USA.

      Big difference. But I do agree the belligerents should be on their own in this fight.

      Elbows up!

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        #879

        https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-former-president-confession-37d8ffa692903d41c47a85245244d971

        Twice on Monday, President Donald Trump said he’d wrangled a confession of sorts from an Oval Office predecessor who he said had expressed regret in a private conversation about not attacking Iran the way Trump has been doing for more than two weeks.

        But there’s just a little problem: Representatives for the four living former presidents — three Democrats and one Republican — said none have been in touch with Trump recently.

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        • MikM Offline
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          wrote last edited by Mik
          #880

          The devil is in the details and the wording. Trump may not have contacted them, but that leaves open the possibility they contacted him. I put no stock in either assertion.

          I suspect if any did it would be W.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • kluursK Offline
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            #881

            First off, he didn't say that the predecessor was a living past president - and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

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            • kluursK kluurs

              First off, he didn't say that the predecessor was a living past president - and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

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              Renauda
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              #882

              @kluurs

              and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

              Bingo!

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                wrote last edited by
                #883

                An astute observation.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • kluursK Offline
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                  #884

                  Best strategic idea since a mustached guy decided he could wage a 3 front war
                  80780bf7-c960-4124-9ba5-2bcde89d797b-image.jpeg

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    #885

                    And just like that ... Greenland is spared.
                    (Until the next episode.)

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                    • A Offline
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                      #886

                      20260226_120921.jpg

                      Looks like part of the US to me

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        #887

                        He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                        IMG_1109.jpeg

                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          wrote last edited by Mik
                          #888

                          It's SO too late to pull the "allies" in. You break it...

                          I'm not sure what they could really add to the picture that we can't anyway.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            My understanding is raw numbers of ships for escorts. Something like 130 ships a day traverse the straight. Even in small convoys you need a lot of ships.

                            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                              IMG_1109.jpeg

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                              #890

                              @jon-nyc said:

                              He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                              IMG_1109.jpeg

                              Seems to me, keeping “the Strait” open for safe passage is very much in the interests of several multinational American oil and gas producers. There are also both large and small US based O & G equipment manufacturers and service companies operating throughout the Persian Gulf which depend on those shipping lanes.

                              The Gulf region supplies Asia with the bulk its sulphur and potash for fertiliser production. With the Strait closed, this driving to price of fertiliser up globally. Owing to this great uncertainty, the rising costs of diesel fuel and fertiliser will make 2026 to be an expensive year for US farmers to sow their fields. Those added expenses will be felt by virtually everyone in the US when they go to the grocery store. If there was no affordability crisis before this, there soon will be especially come autumn.

                              So for Trump to say “we don’t” [use it] is wholly false.

                              Elbows up!

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                                Yeah as I said before my fear (and, frankly, expectation) is that he’ll give up when the political price of continuing the war gets too high and just paint a bullseye around the current state of things, whatever they happen to be. This could end up being part of it.

                                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  I still haven't heard much about the state of affairs in country. Seems like if there were uprisings, we'd be hearing about them long and loud.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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