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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @Mik said:

    I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

    According to BBC reporting the Iranians have said that right now “the US is negotiating with itself”:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3Ac827718d-a478-4809-aba4-dcf6f4f1dcc5#post

    Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

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    @Renauda said:

    Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

    We've actually reached the point where we can't be sure who is less trustworthy, the Iranian government or the POTUS.

    I was only joking

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      Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

      It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        Renauda
        wrote last edited by Renauda
        #994

        Iran issues its own maximalist conditions to end the war…..

        https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3A95cce47e-33a2-4b62-a70f-e08d18561586#post

        Seems that the Iranians were correct, Trump’s team has been negotiating these past couple of days with itself.

        Looks like there’ll be US boots on the ground sooner rather than later.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          Iran issues its own maximalist conditions to end the war…..

          https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3A95cce47e-33a2-4b62-a70f-e08d18561586#post

          Seems that the Iranians were correct, Trump’s team has been negotiating these past couple of days with itself.

          Looks like there’ll be US boots on the ground sooner rather than later.

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          @Renauda Unfortunately, I agree.

          Of the five points mentioned in the article, #1 is the only one that would have any sort of possible of happening. Definitely compromises will probably have to be done on both sides. From a practical point of view, the US obviously is in the stronger position, but the longer this goes on, public opinion, etc. almost balances that out for the Iranians.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

            It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by Renauda
            #996

            @jon-nyc said:

            Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

            It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

            Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

            Or maybe someone who approached Steve Witkoff through his associate Kirill Dimitriev?

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @jon-nyc said:

              Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

              It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

              Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

              Or maybe someone who approached Steve Witkoff through his associate Kirill Dimitriev?

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              @Renauda said:

              @jon-nyc said:

              Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

              It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

              Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

              Exactly.

              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                Renauda
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                #998

                Whoever it is be rest assured Witkoff can vouch for him.

                Elbows up!

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                  #999

                  Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi: "The fact that they are now talking about negotiations is an admission of defeat; didn’t they claim unconditional surrender before?

                  So why are they now mobilizing their top officials to negotiate?"

                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                    wrote last edited by
                    #1000

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-did-iran-give-trump-he-called-the-gift-a-very-nice-thing/ar-AA1Zof3M?cvpid=125c35425ae547f88dd2b01f439bf94e

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      #1001

                      Interesting ‘pressure index’ created by Deutsche Bank doing a kind of technical analysis on the TACO trade.

                      IMG_1226.jpeg

                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        bachophile
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                        #1002

                        c3d7825b-742f-4ec3-941d-2c06371264e3-image.jpeg

                        just a taste of what the day has been like, we've had about 7 missile alarms in the space of about two hours.

                        this pic, not far from my house, a couple was driving that car, there was an alarm and they parked and went into a nearby shelter, and u can see a direct hit of shrapnel thru the roof and the car went flying.

                        this makes a small little news item, "damage to car from shrapnel, no one injured"

                        its been a crazy day.

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                          Here’s the action shot. It’s an Arab village not far from my town.

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                            #1004

                            Saw that. Crazy how that car flipped around like a toy.

                            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #1005

                              Presented without comment.

                              IMG_1229.jpeg

                              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                A tortured view of NATO's purpose.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  Trump isn't the only person who will "never forget".

                                  I was only joking

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                                    #1008

                                    Is NATO even required to act if the "attack" is from a country (i.e., Iran) responding to an attack by a NATO member (i.e., USA)? And further, isn't Article 5 limited in that attacks in Asia and Africa don't count?

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                                      We will never forget your refusal to give us help we don’t need in the war we already won.

                                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                        Hahahaha so well summarized.

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                          If he wasn't teetotal I'd honestly be convinced he got shit-faced most afternoons.

                                          I was only joking

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