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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    #982

    Not sure what to make of the chatter coming out of the White House last couple hours. Without saying it outright Trump makes it sound like unconditional surrender or close to it by Tehran has been reached.

    I have my doubts.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote last edited by Mik
      #983

      Why would they at this point? It really doesn't make sense unless something has happened at high levels in Iran.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote last edited by Renauda
        #984

        Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

        Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

          Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

          kluursK Offline
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          kluurs
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          #985

          @Renauda said:

          Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

          Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

          Some folks are a little suspicious of the size of some well-timed market speculation tied to Trump's pronouncements.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by
            #986

            Yes, I have heard reports. They say a few windfalls were to be had.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

              Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

              MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote last edited by
              #987

              @Renauda said:

              Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

              Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

              That was the alternative I was thinking of.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                #988

                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote last edited by
                  #989

                  I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • 89th8 Online
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                    Funny, just yesterday as Trump was talking about these deal makers, I was thinking (and truly I'm no expert at all), who exactly is in charge in that country to make decisions?

                    I'm not really sure what the goal is here, last year I thought we wiped out all of their nuke bomb facilities. Guess not? Maybe we should've waited for there to be mass protests in the street and then fly in overheads and wipe out the leadership the people were protesting against, then let the protest momentum continue?

                    Right now we seem to be in the business of creating bomb vacuums against an enemy whose defense strategy is to randomly shoot missiles and drones at everyone around them while shitting in their own pool so no one can swim.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #991

                      @Mik said:

                      I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                      According to BBC reporting the Iranians have said that right now “the US is negotiating with itself”:
                      https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3Ac827718d-a478-4809-aba4-dcf6f4f1dcc5#post

                      Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Mik said:

                        I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                        According to BBC reporting the Iranians have said that right now “the US is negotiating with itself”:
                        https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3Ac827718d-a478-4809-aba4-dcf6f4f1dcc5#post

                        Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        @Renauda said:

                        Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

                        We've actually reached the point where we can't be sure who is less trustworthy, the Iranian government or the POTUS.

                        I was only joking

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #993

                          Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                          It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                          • RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote last edited by Renauda
                            #994

                            Iran issues its own maximalist conditions to end the war…..

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3A95cce47e-33a2-4b62-a70f-e08d18561586#post

                            Seems that the Iranians were correct, Trump’s team has been negotiating these past couple of days with itself.

                            Looks like there’ll be US boots on the ground sooner rather than later.

                            Elbows up!

                            taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              Iran issues its own maximalist conditions to end the war…..

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3A95cce47e-33a2-4b62-a70f-e08d18561586#post

                              Seems that the Iranians were correct, Trump’s team has been negotiating these past couple of days with itself.

                              Looks like there’ll be US boots on the ground sooner rather than later.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote last edited by
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                              @Renauda Unfortunately, I agree.

                              Of the five points mentioned in the article, #1 is the only one that would have any sort of possible of happening. Definitely compromises will probably have to be done on both sides. From a practical point of view, the US obviously is in the stronger position, but the longer this goes on, public opinion, etc. almost balances that out for the Iranians.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by Renauda
                                #996

                                @jon-nyc said:

                                Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

                                Or maybe someone who approached Steve Witkoff through his associate Kirill Dimitriev?

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  @jon-nyc said:

                                  Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                  It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                  Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

                                  Or maybe someone who approached Steve Witkoff through his associate Kirill Dimitriev?

                                  jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #997

                                  @Renauda said:

                                  @jon-nyc said:

                                  Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                  It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                  Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

                                  Exactly.

                                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by
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                                    Whoever it is be rest assured Witkoff can vouch for him.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #999

                                      Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi: "The fact that they are now talking about negotiations is an admission of defeat; didn’t they claim unconditional surrender before?

                                      So why are they now mobilizing their top officials to negotiate?"

                                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
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                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-did-iran-give-trump-he-called-the-gift-a-very-nice-thing/ar-AA1Zof3M?cvpid=125c35425ae547f88dd2b01f439bf94e

                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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