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  • J Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote 26 days ago last edited by jon-nyc
    #364

    If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside.

    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      Mik
      wrote 26 days ago last edited by
      #365

      To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • M Mik
        26 days ago

        To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

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        AndyD
        wrote 26 days ago last edited by
        #366

        @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

        To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

        That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
        Batant aggression, self defence etc.

        When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

        And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

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        • M Mik
          27 days ago

          Yeah, that’s a non-starter. Israel wants peace with all. Iran’s is death to everyone but us. There’s no equivalence to be found.

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          kluurs
          wrote 26 days ago last edited by kluurs
          #367

          @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

          Israel wants peace

          Many (most?) Israeli's do - BUT just as in America, there are some very powerful and influential Israelis who want that PLUS a lot of land and more. Israel, like he US, has some significant parts of its population who have very different (contradictory) objectives.

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            26 days ago

            @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

            To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

            That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
            Batant aggression, self defence etc.

            When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

            And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote 26 days ago last edited by
            #368

            @AndyD

            As fragile as it might have been at times, there’s a clear unwritten rule since 1945 that you don’t use nukes.

            How long after we did would Putin?

            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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              Mik
              wrote 26 days ago last edited by
              #369

              Not going to happen until someone has their back against the wall.

              See “offramp”.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                Mik
                wrote 26 days ago last edited by Mik
                #370

                I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • M Mik
                  26 days ago

                  I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

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                  kluurs
                  wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                  #371

                  @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                  I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

                  Iran is not the only nation where a group of religious fanatics have a degree of influence out of bounds with that of the majority of the population - part of the reason that Chris Hitchens had such disdain for religion.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                    #372

                    Cluster munitions used by Iran.

                    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                      #373

                      🤕

                      IMG_3099.jpg

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                        Mik
                        wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                        #374

                        I don't agree with everything this guy says, but it's worth listening to.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-are-iran-s-retaliation-options-if-the-u-s-were-to-strike/vi-AA1H3KAp

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          kluurs
                          wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                          #375

                          Contrarian view

                          Link to video

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                            Mik
                            wrote 26 days ago last edited by Mik
                            #376

                            I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              Mik
                              wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                              #377

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-an-attack-on-fordow-could-be-a-strategic-gift-to-iran/ar-AA1H2Tqr?cmp_prftch=2

                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              • M Mik
                                26 days ago

                                I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                #378

                                @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

                                Same arguments regarding Hussein and the WMD inspections in 2004… Though, I still find it extremely hard to believe that there weren’t WMD… The only other explanation that I’ll entertain is that he pretended to have WMD programs to try and have some leverage…

                                The Brad

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                  #379

                                  You don’t have to believe Israel or Trump. This is from the IAEA:

                                  They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                    #380

                                    There ya go.

                                    For me it's never been about believing either one. I looked at what Iran does, not what it, or anyone else, says.

                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                      #381

                                      B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

                                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote 25 days ago last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #382

                                        I suppose this pair of tweets should adjust our priors a bit. Still, I’ll believe it when I see it.

                                        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          25 days ago

                                          B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                          #383

                                          @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                          B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

                                          Range of a B2 is just shy of 7K miles…

                                          Still, I’m surprised there aren’t B2s already stationed within range of the Middle East.

                                          The Brad

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