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  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
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    #358

    Interesting but probably assumes the IRGC retains power after the assassination.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #359

      Does it mean anything? I don’t know. But here it is.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #360

        Trump posted this.

        IMG_5912.jpeg

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #361

          This magat is a JD Vance favorite and a frequent TuCa guest.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #362

            Jesus no.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Jesus no.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #363

              @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

              Jesus no.

              They're actually saying that they were told that a bunker buster is enough to get the job done - the tactical nuke sounds like complete speculation by Fox and The Guardian.

              I was only joking

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                #364

                If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside.

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #365

                  To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • MikM Mik

                    To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

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                    AndyD
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                    #366

                    @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                    To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

                    That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
                    Batant aggression, self defence etc.

                    When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

                    And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Yeah, that’s a non-starter. Israel wants peace with all. Iran’s is death to everyone but us. There’s no equivalence to be found.

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                      kluurs
                      wrote on last edited by kluurs
                      #367

                      @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                      Israel wants peace

                      Many (most?) Israeli's do - BUT just as in America, there are some very powerful and influential Israelis who want that PLUS a lot of land and more. Israel, like he US, has some significant parts of its population who have very different (contradictory) objectives.

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                        @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                        To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

                        That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
                        Batant aggression, self defence etc.

                        When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

                        And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

                        jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #368

                        @AndyD

                        As fragile as it might have been at times, there’s a clear unwritten rule since 1945 that you don’t use nukes.

                        How long after we did would Putin?

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #369

                          Not going to happen until someone has their back against the wall.

                          See “offramp”.

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          • MikM Away
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                            Mik
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                            #370

                            I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            • MikM Mik

                              I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

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                              kluurs
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #371

                              @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                              I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

                              Iran is not the only nation where a group of religious fanatics have a degree of influence out of bounds with that of the majority of the population - part of the reason that Chris Hitchens had such disdain for religion.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #372

                                Cluster munitions used by Iran.

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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  #373

                                  🤕

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
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                                    #374

                                    I don't agree with everything this guy says, but it's worth listening to.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-are-iran-s-retaliation-options-if-the-u-s-were-to-strike/vi-AA1H3KAp

                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                    • kluursK Offline
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                                      kluurs
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                                      #375

                                      Contrarian view

                                      Link to video

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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                                        #376

                                        I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
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                                          #377

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-an-attack-on-fordow-could-be-a-strategic-gift-to-iran/ar-AA1H2Tqr?cmp_prftch=2

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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