The Iran Nuclear Program thread

[jon-nyc]

The Mossad stole 100k documents out of a warehouse that completely documented the program. Problem is, Iran knows that. Some things are hard to change though, especially under-mountain architecture and reactor locations.

[jon-nyc]

This is interesting to watch, just to see where the heads of this faction of Maga are at. He's proposing a deal where Israel and Iran both give up their nukes.

[Mik]

Yeah, that’s a non-starter. Israel wants peace with all. Iran’s is death to everyone but us. There’s no equivalence to be found.

[jon-nyc]

Interesting but probably assumes the IRGC retains power after the assassination.

[jon-nyc]

Does it mean anything? I don’t know. But here it is.

[jon-nyc]

Trump posted this.

[jon-nyc]

This magat is a JD Vance favorite and a frequent TuCa guest.

[jon-nyc]

Jesus no.

[Doctor Phibes]

[jon-nyc]

If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside.

[Mik]

To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

[AndyD]

@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
Batant aggression, self defence etc.

When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

[kluurs]

@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

Israel wants peace

Many (most?) Israeli's do - BUT just as in America, there are some very powerful and influential Israelis who want that PLUS a lot of land and more. Israel, like he US, has some significant parts of its population who have very different (contradictory) objectives.

[jon-nyc]

@AndyD

As fragile as it might have been at times, there’s a clear unwritten rule since 1945 that you don’t use nukes.

How long after we did would Putin?

[Mik]

Not going to happen until someone has their back against the wall.

See “offramp”.

[Mik]

I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

[kluurs]

@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

Iran is not the only nation where a group of religious fanatics have a degree of influence out of bounds with that of the majority of the population - part of the reason that Chris Hitchens had such disdain for religion.

[jon-nyc]

Cluster munitions used by Iran.

[taiwan_girl]

[Mik]

I don't agree with everything this guy says, but it's worth listening to.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-are-iran-s-retaliation-options-if-the-u-s-were-to-strike/vi-AA1H3KAp